Spam bots or spam servers? Everyone is saying regulate signups for servers but anyone can spin up a Lemmy server and spam with thousands of accounts until they are defedarated. Then 5 minutes later do it again with a new server. It’s not hard to setup a Lemmy server.
I actually think this is a non-issue , sure it will be a pain for a while but the decentralized model will easily adapt to this IMO. Its not like reddit was immune from bots eh.
Yeah, a nice feature of federation is that real communities can adjust their sign-up processes to minimize bot sign-ups, and while determined botfarms can spin up their own servers, that leads to pretty much the least controversial use case for admins to block another server.
Mastodon’s run into similar issues in the past with both bots and scrapers and typically no one has any issue with admins there defederating and entirely blocking those servers.
The federation could be some sort of “democracy” - meaning that new servers should have to apply to join, and the choice would be up to all the other server owners. Otherwise spam servers will become a great issue. This is something that could be implemented later on, if done now it may slow down the growing curve.
In other words, I suggest the creation of a sub-federation that has this moderation system, the unmoderated wild would continue to exist. This would potentially create other issues tho, and it’s something that needs a lot of thought put into.
Maybe it would be better to implement features in lemmy that detect suspicious servers and automatically blacklists them. Maybe creating sub-federations would mess up even more the ecosystem.
But the bots most likely exist in huge amounts here and in other consolidated servers too and IMO thats the biggest problem. Reddit has a shitton of features designed to mitigate the bot issue. It’s one of the hardests things to solve in current internet.
Spam bots or spam servers? Everyone is saying regulate signups for servers but anyone can spin up a Lemmy server and spam with thousands of accounts until they are defedarated. Then 5 minutes later do it again with a new server. It’s not hard to setup a Lemmy server.
I actually think this is a non-issue , sure it will be a pain for a while but the decentralized model will easily adapt to this IMO. Its not like reddit was immune from bots eh.
Yeah, a nice feature of federation is that real communities can adjust their sign-up processes to minimize bot sign-ups, and while determined botfarms can spin up their own servers, that leads to pretty much the least controversial use case for admins to block another server.
Mastodon’s run into similar issues in the past with both bots and scrapers and typically no one has any issue with admins there defederating and entirely blocking those servers.
Yeah, malicious instances can always be defederated and cleaned from the caches.
Until they startblockingg new servers that are harmless
The federation could be some sort of “democracy” - meaning that new servers should have to apply to join, and the choice would be up to all the other server owners. Otherwise spam servers will become a great issue. This is something that could be implemented later on, if done now it may slow down the growing curve.
In other words, I suggest the creation of a sub-federation that has this moderation system, the unmoderated wild would continue to exist. This would potentially create other issues tho, and it’s something that needs a lot of thought put into.
Maybe it would be better to implement features in lemmy that detect suspicious servers and automatically blacklists them. Maybe creating sub-federations would mess up even more the ecosystem.
But the bots most likely exist in huge amounts here and in other consolidated servers too and IMO thats the biggest problem. Reddit has a shitton of features designed to mitigate the bot issue. It’s one of the hardests things to solve in current internet.
You mean a federation?