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I guess you could call this an OOPsie
😆
Repeat after me:
public static void main(String[] args)blasphemy!
void main(int argc, char ** argv, char ** envp)
I straight up never got a nice answer from StackOverflow on this. Say you have 5 classes, each requiring access to the data members/functions of the others. What’s a nice way to solve this problem? I’ve thought of only two
niceshit methods:- Pass pointers/shared-pointers etc to each class, but not through the constructor but a setter function
- Pass lambdas or std::function everywhere. Yuck! Still doesn’t put each object in a valid state in the constructor.
The. real question is whether this problem needs to be modelled using classes in the first place. The alternative is to just have a set of composable functions that take a piece of data and return a modified version that can be passed to a different function.
Well, what problems are you trying to solve by having the classes all access each other’s data members? Why is that necessary?
We have been played for absolute fools
Does external logging not happen outside of OOP?
If so, why not?
It does, hence why it breaks the paradigm.
Feeling attacked with
LeggableandFleable. I’ve been known to write a concern or two in Ruby on Rails but what can I say? I like my code DRY.My biggest problem with it is that those aren’t verbs. You might have
LegCount -> CountableandFleaCount -> Countablethough.Yeah, that’s pretty annoying.
I misread Exceptioncatcher as Exceptionhatcher and I think it still fits
I believe the lifecycle goes ExceptionLayer, ExceptionIncubator, ExceptionHatcher
It’s critical you don’t throw your exceptions too early, they need to learn to fly first 🤣
functional programming ftw
You can’t spell “functional programming” without “fun”.
Functional Programming Theory: 500 pages of lambda calculus and endofunctors
Functional Programming Practice: Quicksort
There’s plenty of real world code written in functional languages. Also, this idea that FP is somehow more complex is complete nonsense. Lisp family are some of the easiest languages to learn.
Functional programming is perfect for all my projects that I don’t start!
Been working in Clojure for over a decade now, and would never never go back to using imperative/OOP at this point.
TBH Rust is pretty nice, it borrows (pun intended) a lot of ideas from the functional world (algebraic data types, traits, closures, affine types to an extent, composition over inheritance, and the general vibe of type-driven development), but it’s much easier to write fast, efficient code, integrate with decades of libraries in imperative languages, and the ecosystem somehow feels mature already.
Rust solves a specific problem, and it’s good at letting you write correct programs with low resource usage. It’s definitely a huge improvement on C and C++.
That said, I find a language like Clojure is far more productive because it’s more expressive, and development is done interactively. With Clojure, you start up your program, connect the editor to it, and evaluate code as you go seeing changes live. Once you’ve worked this way, it’s really hard to go back to having to compile your whole program each time you want to see what it’s doing. It’s like having a conversation with the compiler. It makes it very easy to experiment with different ways to solve a problem, and it gives a lot of confidence because you always see exactly what the code is doing. Clojure also interops with JVM and Js runtimes, so those entire ecosystems are available for use.
Incidentally, there’s a Lisp style language that embraces a lot of Rust principles. https://github.com/carp-lang/Carp
I agree that they fit different niches! My point was that with modern CPU architectures, imperative languages make it much easier to write fast&efficient code just because the hardware was pretty much engineered with C in mind. IMHO Rust offers the best of both worlds when it comes to systems/low-level dev.
That’s not actually true, modern architecture works much closer to the way functional languages work https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=3212479
Would you make a game with functional programming? Or anything with a GUI?
Lots of things with a GUI, but games are better left for ECS.
Ok. I just read the wiki and it’s interesting. What’s a good resource for learning deeper about ECS?
I’m just a hobbyist but…are you guys using exceptions like they’re conditional statements?? I thought those were for only when shit is seriously wrong and execution can’t continue in the current state. Like if some resource was in a bad state or some input was malformed.
Or maybe I haven’t worked on anything complex enough, I dunno.
I thought those were for only when shit is seriously wrong and execution can’t continue in the current state.
That’s how it starts. Nice and simple. Everyone understands.
Until
some resource was in a bad state
and you decide you want to recover from that situation, but you don’t want to refactor all your code.
Suddenly, catching exceptions and rerunning seems like a good idea. With that normalized, you wonder what else you can recover from.
Then you head down the rabbit hole of recovering from different things at different times with different types of exception.
Then it turns into confusing flow control.
The whole Result<ReturnValue,Error> thing from Rust is a nice alternative.
As a rule, exceptions should indeed be used for behaviors that are outside normal execution flow. For example, you might throw an exception if a file you’re trying to access doesn’t exist, or a network call fails, etc.
I suppose it depends on the language? For the most part I think you’re right. Exceptions are only used (if at all) in situations where a program diverges unexpectedly from its normal flow. But take a language like Python. They’re just everywhere. Even your plain old
forloop ends on an exception, and that’s just business as usual.You don’t want to use exceptions in normal control flow, because they’re extremely slow. Every time you
throwan exception, it has to collect a stacktrace, which is hundreds, if not thousands, of calculations, compared to a handful of calculations for returning a boolean or an enum variant.
