Probably should’ve just asked Wolfram Alpha

    • Pyro@programming.dev
      75·
      5 个月前

      What, your printer doesn’t have a full keyboard under its battery? You’ve gotta get with the times my man.

    • Otter@lemmy.caEnglish
      48·
      5 个月前

      It sounds like some weird ritual that someone scratched into a notebook.

      𝗯𝗮𝗰𝗸 𝗼𝗳 𝗽𝗿𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗿?? ｕｎｄｅｒ ｂａｔｔｅｒｙ, m͟u͟s͟t͟ f͟i͟n͟d͟ k͟e͟y͟s͟

  • Deebster@programming.devEnglish
    584·
    5 个月前

    Google’s AI seems dumber than the rest, for example here’s Kagi answering the same (using Claude):


    edit: typoed question originally

    Perhaps Google’s tried to make it run too cheaply - Kagi’s one doesn’t run unless you ask for it, and as a paid product it’ll have different priorities.

    • jbrains
      251·
      5 个月前

      There are two meanings being conflated here.

      “1/3 more” can mean “+ 1/3” or "* (1 + 1/3)“.

      So “1/3 more than 1/3” could be 2/3 or 4/9, but not 1/2.

      Instead 1/2 is 1/2 more than 1/3, not 1/3 more. That’s the meme I’ve seen go around recently.

      • Deebster@programming.devEnglish
        6·
        5 个月前

        Yes, and the Google AI response is correct (and quite clear) in what it says. edit: Thanks Batman. I mean that Google’s understanding of the question is logical (although still the maths is wrong as you say (now I’ve re-read you)) and its answer explained the angle it was answering from.

        However, I think the reasonable assumption for the intention behind the question is relative to a whole. I had third of a pizza, and now I have an extra sixth of a pizza. It’s subtle, but that’s the kind of thing AI falls down on.

        • jbrains
          5·
          5 个月前

          I agree with your assessment regarding the intention of the phrase. We’re back at the silly arithmetic meme that hinges on not grouping terms explicitly and watching people yell at each other in the mistaken belief that there’s one authoritative interpretation of an ambiguous string of symbols.

          Still, the actual mistake remains. Why an extra 1/6 of the pizza? 1/3 of 1/3 is 1/9, not 1/6. That’s 1/2 of 1/3.

          • Deebster@programming.devEnglish
            4·
            5 个月前

            I thought we were finally agreeing fully! My understanding of the question is “what is the difference between a third (of a pizza, say) and a half?”

            1/2 - 1/3 = 1/6
            1/2 = 1/3 + 1/6
            a half is one sixth more than a third.

            btw, I fixed my Kagi screenshot since I’d missed a word from the question (reading comprehension’s clearly not my strong point today)

            • jbrains
              2·
              5 个月前

              Aha, yes. Somehow I forgot the difference interpretation for a moment. Oops!

        • BatmanAoD@programming.dev
          2·
          5 个月前

          You are saying “yes” to a comment explaining why the Google AI response cannot possibly be correct, so what do you mean “and [it’s] correct”?

          • Deebster@programming.devEnglish
            3·
            5 个月前

            Ah, you’re right - I misunderstood jbrain’s point to just be about the “relative to the original” understanding. Guess I’m no smarter than Google’s AI.

    • bulwark@lemmy.worldEnglish
      41·
      5 个月前

      Kagi has Claude built in? I’ve been using it for a year and didn’t know that.

      • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        3·
        5 个月前

        It tries to auto-determine when to trigger, but you can explicitly trigger it by putting a question mark after your query.

      • stetech@lemmy.world
        31·
        5 个月前

        This is why Kagi is a great company.

        Nobody is getting LLM functionality shoved in their faces unless they wanted to.

    • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
      2·
      4 个月前

      this is why i like the DDG approach: don’t have the LLM try to reason, just have it pull information from sources you’ve checked aren’t completely insane, and summarize an answer from there.

  • elbucho@lemmy.worldEnglish
    232·
    5 个月前

    This is very clearly an example of bad AI, but maybe it was trying (and failing) to convey this?

    Basically, 1/3 + 1/9 + 1/27 + 1/81 + … + 1/3^n = 1/2.

    Probably not. But maybe.

    • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
      172·
      5 个月前

      I’m thinking it’s trying to say:

      (2/6) + (1/6) = (3/6) = (4/6) - (1/6)

      But either in “colloquial English for those who want to give other people aneurysms” or “colloquial English for those trying to sound smarter but aren’t”

      Basically that the degree of difference between a half and a third is the same degree of difference between a half and two thirds- and that degree of difference is “one part”.

    • Zagorath@aussie.zone
      262·
      5 个月前

      “a half is one-third more than a third” should mean either

      1/3 + 1/3 = 1/2

      Or

      1/3 + (1/3 × 1/3) = 1/2

      Neither of which is true.

      • lad@programming.devEnglish
        3·
        5 个月前

        I feel like ‘a half is one-third more than a third’ is ambiguous and same as in ‘X is N% more than Y’ one may use X or Y as 100%

        I’m sure that one interpretation is more common, but I don’t think that it is exclusively correct

        • Zagorath@aussie.zone
          21·
          5 个月前

          Basically, “X is one-third more than Y” means either X = (4/3) × Y or X = Y + 1/3. I’m fine with either interpretation.

          The problem is that with the values of X and Y in this example, neither interpretation produces a valid equation.

    • jbrains
      101·
      5 个月前

      1/3 more than 1/3 is 4/9. What you wrote is 1/2 more than 1/3, not 1/3 more of it.

  • deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz
    151·
    5 个月前

    “42”

    “The answer to life the universe and everything is 42!?”

    “Yes, I checked it quite thoroughly.”

    …

    “But what was the actual question?”

    Alternatively, garbage in, garbage out.

      • deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz
        3·
        5 个月前

        That’s like having google make a pizza with everything in my fridge then they complain that I also keep the dog’s food in there.

  • skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de
    151·
    4 个月前

    LLMs are really fucking bad at math. They’re trying to find the statistical close answer, not doing computation. It’s rather mind-numbingly dumb.

    • kahnclusions@programming.dev
      6·
      4 个月前

      Unfortunately a shockingly large number of people don’t get this… including my old boss who was running an AI-based startup 💀

    • YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world
      61·
      5 个月前

      Wouldn’t even be surprised at this point. It seems the system is intentionally designed to discourage critical thinking and apparently knowing how to do math properly is too close for comfort now.

      • orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts
        3·
        5 个月前

        Someone I know had an old friend on their Facebook timeline say that schools should be reformed and don’t need classes like algebra. Then they proceeded to list fields kids could receive training for instead… and all of them required math of some sort.

  • jbrains
    51·
    5 个月前

    Oh. I just noticed the extraneous word in the search, which might be throwing off the LLM trying to understand it.

    • jbrains
      3·
      5 个月前

      I asked ChatGPT these questions and got sensible answers.

      How much more is one half than one third?

      [subtraction answer: 1/6 more]

      That’s one possibility, but what about the other way to interpret that question?

      [ratio answer, but expressed as “1.5 times as much” rather than “1/2 more”]

  • notfromhere@lemmy.ml
    4·
    4 个月前

    I read it as “A third of a third plus a third is a half.” Which makes sense to me. What an I missing?

    • Something Burger 🍔@jlai.lu
      7·
      4 个月前

      It’s wrong. 1/3 + (1/3 * 1/3) = 3/9 + 1/9 = 4/9. It’s close though.

      However, one third plus one half of a third is correct. 1/3 + (1/2 * 1/3) = 1/3 + (1.5/3 * 1/3) = 1/3 + 0.5/3 = 1.5/3 = 1/2

      • mister_flibble@lemm.ee
        2·
        4 个月前

        I’m guessing whatever it scraped to generate this was intended for divvying up food rather than doing actual math. 1/3 plus a third of a third is close enough to a half if you’re talking about portioning out pizza or leftovers or what have you.

        • mojofrododojo@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          4 个月前

          divvying up food rather than doing actual math.

          divvying up - dividing food into equal proportions - is math.

        • Revan343@lemmy.ca
          1·
          4 个月前

          Yep, the difference between .444… And .5 is only .0555…

          Who notices 5 nintieths of something? That’s going to be within the error of sloppy measuring anyways