The former Fox News commentator has made it clear, in his own book and in interviews, that he believes men and women should not serve together in combat units. If Hegseth is confirmed by the Senate, he could try to end the Pentagon’s nearly decade-old practice of making all combat jobs open to women.
“I’m straight up just saying we should not have women in combat roles. It hasn’t made us more effective. Hasn’t made us more lethal. Has made fighting more complicated,” he said in a podcast hosted by Shawn Ryan on Nov. 7. Women have a place in the military, he said, just not in special operations, artillery, infantry and armor units.
“Who’s going to replace them? Men? And we’re having trouble recruiting men into the Army right now,” said Lory Manning, a retired Navy captain who works with the Service Women’s Action Network.
Someone who can’t comprehend men and women working together in combat is someone who can’t comprehend working with women.
They know they can’t work with women because they are fucked up perverts with no self control, that never learned how to be an adult.
I have nothing against normal perverts, just fucked up closeted conservative perverts.
If they have to work with women it’s like a tax on them for having to pay those sexual harassment settlements! Clearly the solution is to prevent the women from doing things rather than stop the harassment. That’s unpossible!
Back when the Boy Scouts were first admitting girls, I was at camp with my kids and talked to some of the older scouts.
They thought it was a great idea because scouting is supposed to prepare you for the real world, and in the real world men and women often have to work together.
We’re going back…
Back? Backwards? Or forwards to the China front line?
That’s cute. You think the front line will be in China.
Taiwan is “china” depending on your definition.
Where do you think the front line will be for WWIII?
Philadelphia.
That’s a civil war, hehe. And also a very real possibility.
Eastern Europe, probably, but who knows. It won’t be in any nuclear-armed countries (not for any significant amount of time, in any case) because that would provoke nuclear retaliation.
Big place, “Eastern Europe”
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To the 1950s.
More like 1880s
I dream of a day when the locker scene from Starship Troopers becomes reality and men and women who fight alongside one another can share a locker room without complication. Or like… Maybe world piece would be cool too and people wouldn’t have to fight at all?
No I don’t think it did reignite a debate.
Stop saying that to justify his crazy shit.
“Has made fighting more complicated.”
I was in the army (Finnish, not American) with women and there were no problems.
not in special operations, artillery, infantry and armor units.
Armor units as in armored vehicles? Women are great for tank crews, what the hell? Well I mean at least as useful as men, that it, but like made me think of Soviet female tank drivers or smth.
“Who’s going to replace them? Men? And we’re having trouble recruiting men into the Army right now,” said Lory Manning,
Oh, Lory, unfortunately these aren’t people who listen to — or are even capable of — reason.
Boo hoo, women are complicated. Shut the fuck up.
I mean it’s pretty clear Republicans don’t think women are equal or they wouldn’t focus so much energy into making them not equal.
So it should come to no one’s surprise that they don’t want them serving in equal capacity in the military.
Should women be allowed to fight on the front lines?
If the individual woman passes the required physical and psychological standards and requirements for the combat MOS, absolutely.
However, they shouldn’t get carte blanche special or relaxed standards and treatment; lives are at stake.
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I have never fought on the front lines so my opinion shouldn’t matter nearly as much as others with that experience, but it seems like if a woman can pass the same exact physical standards required of infantry units to fight on the front lines, then there would be no harm in doing so. If standards need to be lowered because women generally are smaller and weaker than men, then that’s where I would foresee a problem.
Regardless, a bunch of tankie wannabes on Lemmy most likely have 0 clue of the reality of the situation. Historically, women have fought sparingly in combat roles and have been put in positions that require less physical prowess and more technical skill, I.e. snipers, pilots, drivers, nurses, medics. There is most likely a reason for that that is inclusive of personal choices.
This is one of those issues where Lemmy’s opinion and arguments are the farthest thing from being taken seriously by me.
I’ll wait for the DoD or pentagon to release several studies in which these scenarios were tested and view the results, and base my opinion off of their general consensus.
Agree. Systems have a way of working things out, in general as long as deciders do so from a pragmatic, not a pre assumptive perspective. I also have not served in a combat role.
As a firefighter, there were several women in my academy class, and several more at my station after academy. They are all as valuable as anyone else on countless calls. But no one is suited for every role.
Only one couldn’t complete the training in a satisfactory way, and it was some of the hardest physical things we did. (Dragging a 200lbs dummy through an obstacle course and up a flight of stairs in a certain time, advancing charged 2.5 inch hose as a team, up a commercial highrise stairwell). They matriculated into a backline role as an EMT, studied to specify as a paramedic, and are now an incredible asset. It takes good leadership to get people where they should be.
An important point is: all the other women got that shit done, and are very capable firefighters who have helped the community as such. If they had just be barred from trying, the community would have lost their service.
Everyone is good at something, if they are motivated. There’s no reason for people who aren’t actually experienced on the topic to be making these decisions. If actual combat leaders make a determination about the requirements to get the job done, that should be the last word on it. (As long as their opinion is grounded in demonstrable examples and transparent training standards)
I’ll wait for the DoD or pentagon to release several studies
They did that. That’s why they’re in service today.
