Zionism at its most reductive and ideal is the idea that Jewish people should have a state/homeland that will never persecute them for being Jewish.

In theory, that is what Joe Fucking Biden meant when he told a crowd of Jewish people that he was a Zionist.

The problem starts when you start asking questions like: “How do you do that?” and the actual Zionists, surprisingly, aren’t that interested in the creation of a secular state, or what’s going to happen to the non-Jewish people already living there.

So, that’s the meme. The conflict between the ideal and the reality, this weird thought space between concept and reality that really only takes a person thinking one step ahead to notice but liberals, like Joe Biden, didn’t and don’t.

If you’re being generous to liberals, and not a realist who knows they’re active and knowledgeable participants.

What?!? This was a perfect opportunity to get rid of Jews and Brown people at the same time settle the promised land! Did you really expect the racists upstanding European leaders not to take it?

Maybe because Britain had already mandated a Zionist quasi-state (that would eventually become modern day Israel) and Zionist Jews were already migrating there even before the Holocaust? Or are we simply ignoring that part of history?

Actually, allot of countries let some lands for jews, but they don’t want it. They want specifically they holly land.

That brush you’re using there is the wrong size

Liberals support Israel because of Cold War propaganda labeling. That evolved into the good guys versus terrorism propaganda we have now, which blinded us to things like stealing land, the blockade, interfering in elections, and indefinite detainment without charges or trial. It was all hand waived because “terrorists”. But in reality it was the only way left for them to try to defend their sovereignty.

It has been a political wedge issue used as a weapon by conservatives. Liberal buy-in to zionism is its primary support system.

lefties love to hate on liberals for whatever reason. Even though the definition of liberal is not very specific and encompassing.

I still haven’t quite figured out why. Idk if people just don’t broadly understand the definition of liberalism in a political context, or if it’s just “hurr durr not lefty bad” shenanigans.

on another note, if anybody in the comments has any expansive explanation to this, please, indulge my curiosity.

As a russian I feel this a lot :/

Experience shown me that it takes one generation to forget everything.

Because Israel was always a colonialist project. The last one of a dead age. The people who like Israel think Thanksgiving was how settlers treated the Indigenous Americans.

Or, like, Palestinians.

They aren’t arguing in good faith

Are the libs even making this argument? I thought genocide was too spicy for them now

Yep, I always thought a better idea for a state of Ashkenazi Jews would be to create it from pieces of Bavaria, Austria, maybe even a bit of Sudetes. Make it sort of a crossroads state, to minimize abuse by, ahem, any separate neighbor. Because immediately after WWII it would be weird to expect from Germans any kind of neighborly attitude.

And the opportunity would be long lost, if not for the fact that Germans so fscking love their Holocaust apologies virtue signaling. They have themselves maintained what is required to make the matter relevant.

I suggest resettling Israel to Passau. Yep, they may not have Haifa beaches, but they will have some Danube to look at.

And it will be really funny, Germans are too obnoxious, observing the process will be very funny.

my dad was shot when i was a kid so now it’s necessary for me to shoot everyone I please. that’s how laws work, right?

If they hadn’t immediately started a project of displacing the people who had been there the last 2,000 years then you might have a point. But no they went straight to Terrorism, and we cheered.

Israel was never a movement for freedom, from the start it was a far right enthnonationalist colonial project.

How about when they started genociding it became the wrong thing?

Say that. Say “genocide” instead of “succeed” if you love facts so much.

sry friend, the free tibet part’ll get you banned here

everyone knows, that tibet isn’t a country, but actually belongs to glourios china, which is, even tho it has one of the highest billionair density in the world, a true socialist utopia… also uigurs are a western lie

And it had to be in Palestine? And it had to be an unregulated mess of Terrorism? It couldn’t have been in Germany where occupation forces were on hand to do an orderly transition, and from the country that actually committed the sin?

Everything about the forming of Israel screams, an excuse for one last colonial project. Because none of what you said makes what they did acceptable. The Palestinians didn’t hurt them. They just wanted to keep their land.

Oh, well then, I guess that justifies the ethnic violence and cleansing they’re committing today. If I’d known they’d suffered for centuries I wouldn’t have been upset that they’re now the ones creating the suffering.

Before WWII the Jewish people had adopted the US as Zion. They already had a country, we didn’t need to refuse their refugees and fuck that shit up.

It is not common practice to do anything “just because” belonging to a minority group. This is just a lie that conservatives tell each other when they’re giving each other a good circle jerk.

What if they hired you only because you are part of a majority group? Or does this only matter if it’s someone in a minority being hired?

Positive discrimination is a pillar of the neolibs’ post-Hillary wokeness scam worldview. There’s a Kendi quote like “You cannot undo discrimination without discrimination.” They’ve decided to just apply that logic to the wealthiest set of white people on the planet instead of the children of slaves and sharecroppers because these people are sociopathic scum who know where their bread is buttered.

This is basically the driver behind Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas’s asshole pathology.

Clarence Thomas moment

So if you were equally qualified what should the manager think about when deciding between you two?

From what I’ve seen when those things were actually practiced, it’s somewhat different and broken into two parts:

• One one side, seriously incompetent people from the group which is a recipient of “positive” discrimination get jobs they should never have gotten and the quality of their work is going to be noticed by everybody else as long as they’re around and will reflect on others of the same group because the very act of segregating some people based on highly visible characteristics for the purposes of receiving special treatment strengthens the view of them as a group in other people’s minds, which in turn strengthens views such as “they’re all the same”.
• On the other side, the very competent people from the group which is a recipient of “positive” discrimination are seen by default by colleagues and even managers as inept, have to fight even harder for their competence to be recognized and often their ideas are just casually dismissed because everybody sees them as “somebody who only got the job because of the quotas”.

From what I’ve observed first hand neither feels insecure: the former play the influences game even harder than the rest because they know with absolute certainty that they’re only were they are thanks to social and political games, whilst the second just get angry and frustrated because they’re not treated as equals - because they are not equals since they’re part of a group which got privileges others did not - and thus not respected for their competence.

By creating a separate class of people, who don’t go have to pass as high a barrier as the rest, so called “positive” discrimination might land them the job but it also makes sure they’ll always be looked at as less competent, further reinforced in the minds of everybody else by those of that groups who are indeed “too incompetent for the job and wouldn’t have gotten it if it weren’t for quotas”