The horseshoe theory holds true in many cases. Far ends of the spectrum have more in common with eachother than they do with the people on the middle. Antisemitism is a good example of something you find in both extremes. Calls for violence is another example.
No, I’m saying you’ll find antisemites on both the far left and the far right - not that everyone on the far left hates Jews. Not everyone on the far right does either.
If you’re going to argue that there are no antisemites on the far left whatsoever, then there’s nothing to discuss here.
False premise… not wanting Palestinian babies to be slaughtered en masse is not anti-Semitism. Fuck that.
There isn’t a far right and “far left” equivalency - one side are fascists and the other are anti fascists. Opposition of objective evil is NOT an extreme, it’s a baseline position.
Quiet propaganda, like this comment, did a lot to bring our broken society to this point.
Id assume they meant residents of the Jewish state who are on the side of the Jewish states government, not all Jews worldwide…but I’m just giving benefit of the doubt. Similarly I assume people saying Americans chose this or Americans support genocide mean the 51% who do.
Nah, it’s more like <1%. The average citizen does have a say in who our representatives are, but we don’t get to decide what choices they make. When you vote for someone, you don’t necessarily agree with everything they do, you just think the country would go in a better direction with them vs their opponents.
For example, Biden didn’t meaningfully push back on Israel, and I doubt Trump would do anything differently. So if you are super passionate about the Israel-Gaza war, you can’t vote for either, but that means throwing your vote away with a third party candidate, which has other caveats (i.e. if you have a preference on issues other than Israel-Gaza, voting third party reduces that voice). I voted third party this past election because I knew my state would vote overwhelmingly for one of the candidates (and it did, like clockwork), so my vote had more value as a protest against the terrible candidates we had instead of throwing it to either the one that would win or the runner-up.
In a democracy, things really aren’t that binary. Just because a candidate won 51% of the vote or whatever doesn’t mean 51% of the populace agrees with their policies, they just think they’ll do a better job than the main alternative. In this case, I think it largely came down to the economy, and people thought Trump would do better than Harris on that. I personally think the Presidential Puzzle (video by Ben Felix about it here) is more convincing than an actual shift in national agreement with Trump.
The horseshoe theory holds true in many cases. Far ends of the spectrum have more in common with eachother than they do with the people on the middle. Antisemitism is a good example of something you find in both extremes. Calls for violence is another example.
You know the Palestinians, who are currently being genocided with American weapons and money, are semites right?
How does this relate to what I said?
Seems like you were using antisemitism as shorthand for antizionism
I’m talking about the hatred of jews.
Is holding israel accountable for its genocide “hatred of Jews”?
I haven’t said a world about Israel.
But you say the “far left” “hates” Jews.
The far left hates Israel. The far left hates zionists. The far left does not hate jews.
Meanwhile the far right are literally Nazis marching around with swastikas.
But yeah they’re totally the same 🙄 you’re really great at playing dumb.
No, I’m saying you’ll find antisemites on both the far left and the far right - not that everyone on the far left hates Jews. Not everyone on the far right does either.
If you’re going to argue that there are no antisemites on the far left whatsoever, then there’s nothing to discuss here.
False premise… not wanting Palestinian babies to be slaughtered en masse is not anti-Semitism. Fuck that.
There isn’t a far right and “far left” equivalency - one side are fascists and the other are anti fascists. Opposition of objective evil is NOT an extreme, it’s a baseline position.
Quiet propaganda, like this comment, did a lot to bring our broken society to this point.
Israel is doing genocide but the Jews are real victims of US political discourse
I think bombing civilians is bad and going after people because of their religion is also bad. You don’t actually need to choose either or.
Id assume they meant residents of the Jewish state who are on the side of the Jewish states government, not all Jews worldwide…but I’m just giving benefit of the doubt. Similarly I assume people saying Americans chose this or Americans support genocide mean the 51% who do.
Nah, it’s more like <1%. The average citizen does have a say in who our representatives are, but we don’t get to decide what choices they make. When you vote for someone, you don’t necessarily agree with everything they do, you just think the country would go in a better direction with them vs their opponents.
For example, Biden didn’t meaningfully push back on Israel, and I doubt Trump would do anything differently. So if you are super passionate about the Israel-Gaza war, you can’t vote for either, but that means throwing your vote away with a third party candidate, which has other caveats (i.e. if you have a preference on issues other than Israel-Gaza, voting third party reduces that voice). I voted third party this past election because I knew my state would vote overwhelmingly for one of the candidates (and it did, like clockwork), so my vote had more value as a protest against the terrible candidates we had instead of throwing it to either the one that would win or the runner-up.
In a democracy, things really aren’t that binary. Just because a candidate won 51% of the vote or whatever doesn’t mean 51% of the populace agrees with their policies, they just think they’ll do a better job than the main alternative. In this case, I think it largely came down to the economy, and people thought Trump would do better than Harris on that. I personally think the Presidential Puzzle (video by Ben Felix about it here) is more convincing than an actual shift in national agreement with Trump.
every time holocaust and jews are brought up in the modern context, you are making that choice.
Unless you’re referring to anti Zionist Jews. NO.