• snooggums@lemmy.world
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    14 hours ago

    Lady in red is presenting an extremely common series of steps that companies take for the owner/investor self interest in profit.

    How is it critiquing an irrational position?

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      12 hours ago

      That series of steps, common or not, is bludgeoningly irrational, and for multiple reasons.

      In fact, the introductory part of the comic, showing her rejecting the entirely rational option of working half as long to produce the same amount clearly communicates the point that it’s irrational, as does the last frame, illustrating the consequences of her self-evidently irrational choice.

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        12 hours ago

        It is rational self interest, not rational group interest. Hence why she doesn’t act in a way that would benefit others, because they can now do twice the output in the same amount of time because of the machine!

        ‘Rational self interest’ is just being selfish.

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          Rational group interest IS rational self-interest.

          As social animals living in communities and as part of any number of groups, we must, if we’re rational, be mindful of the well-being of groups, because our own well-being depends on it.

          ‘Rational self interest’ is just being selfish.

          No it in fact is not. Selfishness causes any number of negative consequences - suffering, hostility, crime, conflict, rebellion, war, death… So it’s bludgeoningly obviously irrational, and therefore cannot be rational self interest.

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          10 hours ago

          ‘Rational self interest’ is just being selfish.

          *Irrational self interest. Rational self interest would still involve improving the worker’s lives due to the support structure that a community brings

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        12 hours ago

        She is, however, acting in her own rational self-interest by keeping all the value of the new machine for herself and not passing it on to her workers. If she were acting in the group’s rational self-interest, she would allow them to work half as long. Since she is acting in her own rational self-interest, she threatens to fire her workers if they do not work the same hours as before and pass the value on to her. From her perspective, it makes perfect sense: all she has to do is install the new machine and make no other changes, and she and begins earning twice as much income from the factory she owns, without having to lift a finger. Any purely rational person (as opposed, mind you, to an empathetic one) would take the option to do that.

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          11 hours ago

          She is, however, acting in her own rational self-interest by keeping all the value of the new machine for herself and not passing it on to her workers.

          No, she rather obviously is not, as vividly illustrated by the fact that she caused so much hostility that she ends up going to the guillotine.

          She is very clearly acting in her irrational self- interest.

          If she were acting in the group’s rational self-interest, she would allow them to work half as long.

          And if she were acting in her own rational self-interest, she would do the same, since her well-being (and in fact, as neatly illustrated in the comic, her very life) depends on the well-being of the group.

          Since she is acting in her own rational self-interest, she threatens to fire her workers if they do not work the same hours as before and pass the value on to her.

          No. Again, she is rather obviously acting in her own irrational self-interest, as vividly illustrated in the last panel.

          Any purely rational person (as opposed, mind you, to an empathetic one) would take the option to do that.

          What on earth leads you to believe that rationality and empathy are mutually exclusive?

          As social animals, empathy is eminently rational, and in fact I would argue that rationality is impossible without it.

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            And if she were acting in her own rational self-interest, she would do the same, since her well-being (and in fact, as neatly illustrated in the comic, her very life) depends on the well-being of the group.

            This assumes perfect foresight. As can be seen from the history of robber barons and the legacy they left, it generally did work out for most of them, so they were correct in their choices focusing on self-interest. Not since the French revolution has any significant number of rich assholes faced significant consequences for their choices in placing their personal welfare above the group.