Rediscovering well-established shit from first principles and a science-illiterate, history-ignorant stance.
I’m betting the raw milk thing re-entered society via the crystals and essential oils crowd?
The same type of people that said back in the 70s - or maybe even before - that television screens emitted cancer-causing radiation.
In the 90s they were saying that about the magnetic fields in digital alarm clock radios, too. Completely oblivious to the night lamps by the bed, those also conduct electricity. But noooo… it was the tiny LED screen that suddenly made the difference… I guess?
Also completely oblivious to the Earth’s titanic magnetic field dwarfing and drowning whatever they had with their little gizmos in their normal-sized bedrooms in the 90s.
The earth’s magnetic field is much weaker than a simple coil in a transformer, as can be easily demonstrated by holding a compass near said device and watching the needle align with that instead of the earth.
The earths magnetic field influences the needle when I am standing 400+ km away from magnetic north. To have the coil of a transformer influence my needIe, I have to be relatively close to it. So I feel like your statement is incorrect.
I’ll happily be corrected if I overlooked or misunderstood something.
The field isn’t located at the north or south pole - you’re not 400km away from it, you’re immersed inside the field, and your compass is showing the local alignment of that field.
Just about anything with an EM field of its own will be stronger than that.
IME you are pegging entirely the wrong group of people.
For at least 10 years the only people I’ve heard making a stink about being able to get raw milk are the same folks complaining about fluoride in drinking water.
That’s not so much the crystals and oils crowd as it is the fuck your feelings crowd.
I have a family member that converted to some weird Christian Judaism (don’t ask me), has always been super into oils, and more recently became an anti-Vax and raw milk person. So that scene is more diverse… haven’t spoken to her since she went cray, but I would bet most of my money that she is MAGA too now.
Rediscovering well-established shit from first principles and a science-illiterate, history-ignorant stance
This is basically the entire process Libertarians go through before realizing they’re idiots… They have to re-learn all of the things we’ve already collectively learned as a society, generations ago. But I guess they just can’t believe that we need taxes to fund roads and water infrastructure, until they experience it first hand.
Not even just Libertarians, just conservatives in general these days. Look at Elon Musk and how quick he re-learned why Twitter would “censor” shit.
It’s like these people think everything we do is just empty tradition, and until they experience it first hand, they will never believe we need a regulation. When the reality is that many of our regulations are written in blood, and it’s idiotic and indefensible to want to go back to those times and do it all again. Simply because the richest dude in the world can’t be bothered to read a goddamn book.
What you’re talking about boils down to who to trust. Unfortunately, governments are notorious for abusing such trust. I can’t fault anyone who questions the way things are, and why- assuming of course that they are receptive to answers other than “it’s a government conspiracy to control us.” Not that that’s never true, but it’s certainly not always true.
It’s not just governments that these people distrust, it’s anything they don’t understand. That includes science. Science does not have a political agenda.
Unfortunately, governments are notorious for abusing such trust.
Source? Because that assumes that this is the normality. Which is interesting as a statement, although of course it massively depends on your local government, but not everyone lives in Syria or so.
This always gets carted out, and yet then people always have to point at the same dozen or so big things in hundreds of years of gov history, and never mention the possibly billions of non-abused trust moments in the same space of time.
Edward Snowden immediately springs to mind… You can add in most of the law enforcement agencies in every country with the presence of the internet and cell phones. How many eyes are we up to now?
I think healthy skepticism when it comes to the government is good. Especially if people want transparency. Holding them accountable for abuses is even better, but has been less than ideal in practice over the years.
Unfortunately, people tend to skip healthy skepticism and dive right into conspiracy driven paranoid delusions, and lack of government accountability does feed into that mindset. Combine that with Maga propaganda, fox News, and other extremist media and we’ve got a shit show.
If you’re betting on that crowd, you’re just choosing to overlook the fluoride in the water, gay chem trails, 5G tower and microchips in the COVID vaccine crowd. There is some overlap with the crystal people sure, but much more Alex Jones/QAnon, full on violent basement demon crowd.
Rediscovering well-established shit from first principles and a science-illiterate, history-ignorant stance.
I’m betting the raw milk thing re-entered society via the crystals and essential oils crowd?
The same type of people that said back in the 70s - or maybe even before - that television screens emitted cancer-causing radiation.
In the 90s they were saying that about the magnetic fields in digital alarm clock radios, too. Completely oblivious to the night lamps by the bed, those also conduct electricity. But noooo… it was the tiny LED screen that suddenly made the difference… I guess?
Also completely oblivious to the Earth’s titanic magnetic field dwarfing and drowning whatever they had with their little gizmos in their normal-sized bedrooms in the 90s.
The earth’s magnetic field is much weaker than a simple coil in a transformer, as can be easily demonstrated by holding a compass near said device and watching the needle align with that instead of the earth.
The earths magnetic field influences the needle when I am standing 400+ km away from magnetic north. To have the coil of a transformer influence my needIe, I have to be relatively close to it. So I feel like your statement is incorrect.
I’ll happily be corrected if I overlooked or misunderstood something.
The field isn’t located at the north or south pole - you’re not 400km away from it, you’re immersed inside the field, and your compass is showing the local alignment of that field.
Just about anything with an EM field of its own will be stronger than that.
IME you are pegging entirely the wrong group of people.
For at least 10 years the only people I’ve heard making a stink about being able to get raw milk are the same folks complaining about fluoride in drinking water.
That’s not so much the crystals and oils crowd as it is the fuck your feelings crowd.
I have a family member that converted to some weird Christian Judaism (don’t ask me), has always been super into oils, and more recently became an anti-Vax and raw milk person. So that scene is more diverse… haven’t spoken to her since she went cray, but I would bet most of my money that she is MAGA too now.
There is significant overlap with those people.
This is basically the entire process Libertarians go through before realizing they’re idiots… They have to re-learn all of the things we’ve already collectively learned as a society, generations ago. But I guess they just can’t believe that we need taxes to fund roads and water infrastructure, until they experience it first hand.
Not even just Libertarians, just conservatives in general these days. Look at Elon Musk and how quick he re-learned why Twitter would “censor” shit.
It’s like these people think everything we do is just empty tradition, and until they experience it first hand, they will never believe we need a regulation. When the reality is that many of our regulations are written in blood, and it’s idiotic and indefensible to want to go back to those times and do it all again. Simply because the richest dude in the world can’t be bothered to read a goddamn book.
What you’re talking about boils down to who to trust. Unfortunately, governments are notorious for abusing such trust. I can’t fault anyone who questions the way things are, and why- assuming of course that they are receptive to answers other than “it’s a government conspiracy to control us.” Not that that’s never true, but it’s certainly not always true.
It’s not just governments that these people distrust, it’s anything they don’t understand. That includes science. Science does not have a political agenda.
Source? Because that assumes that this is the normality. Which is interesting as a statement, although of course it massively depends on your local government, but not everyone lives in Syria or so.
This always gets carted out, and yet then people always have to point at the same dozen or so big things in hundreds of years of gov history, and never mention the possibly billions of non-abused trust moments in the same space of time.
Edward Snowden immediately springs to mind… You can add in most of the law enforcement agencies in every country with the presence of the internet and cell phones. How many eyes are we up to now?
That’s not what the question was about? I mean sure, if you stop after that exact word and immediately hit “reply”.
I think healthy skepticism when it comes to the government is good. Especially if people want transparency. Holding them accountable for abuses is even better, but has been less than ideal in practice over the years.
Unfortunately, people tend to skip healthy skepticism and dive right into conspiracy driven paranoid delusions, and lack of government accountability does feed into that mindset. Combine that with Maga propaganda, fox News, and other extremist media and we’ve got a shit show.
Is our corn subsidy written in blood?
Has it spilled any blood by existing?
High fructose corn syrup’s pretty damn bad for people, and it’s everywhere because of government subsidies.
I guess the big question is: can government code cause death too? Or only prevent it? Are we always safer with more laws on the books?
If you’re betting on that crowd, you’re just choosing to overlook the fluoride in the water, gay chem trails, 5G tower and microchips in the COVID vaccine crowd. There is some overlap with the crystal people sure, but much more Alex Jones/QAnon, full on violent basement demon crowd.