• nifty@lemmy.world
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    Please stop with the intra-class hate, it’s just a bad look and makes someone using such labels look like an envious have-not.

    You risk alienating white collar or high-income working class with these slogans, who have a lot of political power.

    The problem is compounded by the fact that most people have a misconception about their class status, and don’t realize that we’re all working class.

    Your doctors, lawyers, engineers, and even some politicians are working class, but don’t want to admit it, or don’t understand how class works.

    Edit inter vs intra is a sob

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      Usually when working class and proletariat brought up, it means those who have to work to live. The bourgeoisie are the owning class who can just not do anything yet will be set for life.

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      You risk alienating white collar or high-income working class with these slogans

      No, you don’t. Everyone who has/had to work for a living (without the backstop of a trust fund) is quite aware. Anyone you would be alienating was already gone.

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      And where does their power and wealth come from? The working class It seems that they have forgotten this fact.

      Respectfully, shut the fuck up. We are done licking boots. I will wholeheartedly advocate for more corporate assassinations. They are fucking killing us, taking out a couple of them is a drop in the bucket

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        I make these comments because I hate seeing people bring up the same tired ideas which lose at the polling booth.

        I agree that people deserve better, but there are a lot of idiots who cannot tell allies apart from foes. There’s no helping such people 🤷‍♀️

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          You realize we are not talking about the account or lawyer that lives down the street right?

          We are talking about those who do not contribute a thing to society and get rich from our suffering.

          People are justified in celebrating the death of Brian Thompson. He was not one of us. He is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths in the pursuit of shareholder returns.

          The working class is fed up. You need to make $100,000 to live the American dream now, and that’s if you don’t live near any major city. Anybody with their head on right is not having kids because it is fiscally irresponsible and just going to harm the kid in the long run.

          Now they want to take our social security that we paid into our whole lives.

          Over my dead fucking body.
          No hyperbole. I am not going out silently

          It’s great that you are insulated from the raping of the middle class. But maybe shut the fuck up and listen to people’s stories about UHC

          Brian Thompson earned his death

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            Sorry, I wasn’t even talking about this one incident but more in the abstract about the sign in OPs post. I agree that people who take up leadership positions in society have more responsibility, and should be held accountable. The French revolutionaries experienced exactly these same frustrations, so I see some parallels here which make sense. Leaders need to do better, or be replaced one way or another.

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      someone using such labels look like an envious have-not.

      Uh, so true, shame on those peasants for the sin of envy, they should just be satisfied with what they have and let their betters enjoy the fruits of their exploitation.

      ^/s

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      The working class includes those who earn their living through wage-paying (hourly) jobs, typically involving manual labor or service work without poatsecondary education requirements. They tend to have modest property ownership, and make close to minimum wage with limited benefits. Working-class jobs are predominantly in the service sector, including retail sales, clerical work, food industry positions, and manual labor.

      Which definition of working class are you using that includes doctors, lawyers and engineers?

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        I had a salaried position working as a cashier at a fucking gas station making 20k a year. Salaried vs hourly is the not the great class war dividing line. Also, public school teachers are salaried, and I’ll be damned if I’m giving over the teachers to the guillotine.

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          Its a general definition of the phrase. There will always be exceptions. There is still no evidence that anyone considers doctors, engineers, lawyers etc to be part of the working class.

          They are generally considered to be part of the professional class. More have become beholden to corporate structures as America descends further into late stage capitalism, but they are still not generally considered part of the working class.

          Most Amazon / Walmart workers, Uber drivers, fast food workers etc. would likely scoff at the idea of considering those professions to be working class as they are.

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            anyone considers

            Yeah, not exactly. In Marxist philosophy there are only two classes, the owning class and the working class. If you don’t own the productive means of society then you’re working class. In reality, though, the vast majority of (at least American) people probably subscribe to a three class model, lower, middle, upper, without any understanding of political philosophy or Marxist theory, in which case doctors and lawyers would be middle-to-upper-middle class. Tech billionaires and national politicians would generally be upper class

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              Ah that explains the response. I was using the modern American definition. Genuinely appreciate the clarification

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        Gatekeeping what working class is. That’s new. Just thought it meant that you worked for a living instead of being an “owner class”

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          Well this is why I made the post, I don’t know if OP was doing it but my comment is directed more towards the person who made that sign.

          Most people are working class because they lack the resources and status from generational wealth.

          Edit that said, I don’t think it’s fair to make someone feel bad about what they were born into. If someone is actively working against the betterment of other people’s lives, that’s a separate issue.

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          Defining a phrase is not gatekeeping.

          I think you’d be hard pressed convincing anyone that a physician or lawyer acting as an independent contractor and selling their professional services for $200+/hr is working class.

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            If you can’t afford your lifestyle without working, you’re working class. If you become homeless without work, you’re working class. If you’re a few missed paychecks away from having to rely on savings for maintaining your life, you’re working class.

            We’d have a more reasonable and progressive society if people were honest about their lack of social safety nets.

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            Some of the only working class people actually making anywhere near what they should be making

            If you work for your paycheck, you’re working class… If your “money works for you” you’re not

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            I think you’d be hard pressed convincing anyone that a physician or lawyer acting as an independent contractor and selling their professional services for $200+/hr is working class.

            That is indeed your opinion and not what the working class is. That is what I meant by gatekeeping, thank you for demonstrating it again.

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              I understand now that you are using the communist definition, which is not the definition that’s widely agreed upon but is popular here. Another user clarified that. Thanks and glad we could clear things up.

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        Professional and Technical ‘classes’ and other specializations may have more privilege and income, but end the work-derived income and their assets will not sustain them.

        They are subsets of the working class because they must work.