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A grainy image of his face drew comparisons to Hollywood heartthrobs. A jacket similar to the one he’s wearing on wanted posters is reportedly flying off the shelves. And the words written on the bullets he used to kill a man in cold blood on a sidewalk on Wednesday have become, for some people, a rallying cry.

Four days after a gunman assassinated a top health insurance executive in Midtown Manhattan and vanished, the unidentified suspect has, in some quarters, been venerated as something approaching a folk hero.

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
    1·
    17 days ago

    Yes, people come up with stupid conspiracy theories all the time, but you were saying it was a conspiracy. I’m not sure why you’re claiming you didn’t:

    Ah but we’ll never know for certain who he is! If they can’t find the real guy, they’ll likely pin it on some nobody with a problematic past. So we can’t fall in love with the real guy, but only a hero archetype instead. And that’s perfectly fine.

    We do not trust the oligarchs and their police to actually catch the real guy. There’s a good chance that, whoever they kill and claim to have “got him!” the public will not accept that they really did. We already think they’re going to just murder someone in order to close the case. Maybe they’ll get him for real. Maybe they won’t. We will never know and the conspiracy theory machine will just keep churning out maybes.

    If another CEO bites the dust, it will probably be a copycat. This guy is getting away, if not in actual truth, at least in folklore. He’d be a fool to strike again.

    We have no idea what he looks like. The pictures are of a guy with a different jacket. They’re the ones who claim that’s the guy, and handsome white dudes are a dime a dozen in the city. There’s still no reason to trust they showed us the right guy.

    That’s not what the “conspiracy machine” churned up. That’s what you churned up. You even said “we” multiple times. You are the one doing the “jet fuel can’t melt steel beams” here.

    • Olhonestjim@lemmy.world
      1·
      17 days ago

      Yeah, I’m the only one saying this stuff.

      They haven’t caught anybody yet. I gave you examples for why the public (we!) might have reasons to doubt whoever they put on display. I was explaining how he’s not unlikely to become an uncatchable folk hero. I used the word “myth” for chrissake.

      I get that nuance does not always come across well in text online. May I suggest that you may not have fully understood what I was implying?

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
        11·
        17 days ago

        Whether you’re the only one or not, you just said in the previous comment that these were not your conspiracy theories, they were crazy ones like the 9/11 conspiracy theories that other people will come up with.

        Now you’re back to promoting the conspiracy theories yourself.

        So, again, you’re the one doing the “jet fuel can’t melt steel beams” thing in this case.

        Previous post:

        Dude. I’m not saying one way or the other. I’m just saying that the conspiracy machine is gonna churn up reasons why they might have lied, no matter who they pin it on.

        This post:

        Yeah, I’m the only one saying this stuff.

        So are you saying it or are you not saying it? Make up your mind.

        • Olhonestjim@lemmy.world
          1·
          17 days ago

          Sweet Jesus, you’re impossible.

          Plenty of people already do not believe that the handsome guy was the shooter. It’s all over this place. The jackets don’t match.

          Nobody wants him caught. It’s all over this place.

          I was speculating on what might happen with all this in the near future, regardless of what you might think makes no sense.

          I don’t know if they’ll really catch him. But I do think that plenty of people will not accept their claim.

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
            1·
            17 days ago

            No. You weren’t speculating. You were making claims. I guess I’ll have to quote you again:

            We have no idea what he looks like. The pictures are of a guy with a different jacket. They’re the ones who claim that’s the guy, and handsome white dudes are a dime a dozen in the city. There’s still no reason to trust they showed us the right guy.

            We do not trust the oligarchs and their police to actually catch the real guy. There’s a good chance that, whoever they kill and claim to have “got him!” the public will not accept that they really did. We already think they’re going to just murder someone in order to close the case. Maybe they’ll get him for real. Maybe they won’t. We will never know and the conspiracy theory machine will just keep churning out maybes.

            If another CEO bites the dust, it will probably be a copycat. This guy is getting away, if not in actual truth, at least in folklore. He’d be a fool to strike again.

            This post:

            I was speculating on what might happen with all this in the near future, regardless of what you might think makes no sense.

            I don’t know if they’ll really catch him. But I do think that plenty of people will not accept their claim.

            Again, make up your mind. Do other people, not you, believe this or do you also believe it?

            You are bizarrely inconsistent and are apparently very willing to pretend you didn’t say things you said.

            • Olhonestjim@lemmy.world
              1·
              17 days ago

              Cool.

              And you know what I’m going to maintain? You have fundamentally misunderstood the point I was trying to make. I can’t say I blame you for it. Obviously some of that’s on me.

              But you know what else I’m not gonna do? I’m not gonna go line by line refuting your misunderstanding of my various quotes from my mobile device, and certainly not when I’m going to bed. Definitely not when I’d rather sleep than lay awake being annoyed at someone insisting upon not getting my point that I often struggle to make.

              Gnight dude. Ever a pleasure.