Yeah, the fact that they’re all so anti-voting and/or “both sides”-y is why I think the root of most of the tankies’ thinking is Chinese propaganda. Like, just because you vote for someone doesn’t mean you are 100% aligned with everything they say. Or even 50% of it. Just means you’re more aligned with them than the other option. The only people who could possibly benefit from such a stupid mode of thought are part of authoritarian governments.
Yep. I nearly disagree as much with a democrat as a republican.
But pragmatically, I prefer that trans people and disabled people aren’t literally eradicated, and whether 1% or 50% of the population turn out, the election still stands so I’ll be voting.
That doesn’t mean I don’t do other things in a more revolutionary spirit, but I think it’s dumb not to vote.
But pragmatically, I prefer that trans people and disabled people aren’t literally eradicated
OH, so you think that trans and disabled folk should be SPECIAL and EXCLUDED from genocide while other people are being genocided elsewhere??? Typical shitlib
I wouldn’t even say it’s propaganda. It’s bad-faith. They find whatever reasons they can to not participate in the hopes that the system will get worse, and this will swing a magic political pendulum to the opposite side of socialist utopia.
The missing part is that magic political pendulum = “People suffer more and more until it boils over in a violent revolution with much death on all sides and The Party™ installs themselves as leaders of everything, which then will ‘dissolve itself’ ‘one day’ ‘when they’re no longer necessary.’”
Which might be even less likely to happen than if it was magic, tbf.
I would honestly be less upset if revolutions at least actually happened like that.
But they don’t.
People can suffer nearly infinitely (see: North Korea). It is when people are poised to strike that revolution happens. The French Revolution did not happen any of the innumerable times France had experienced hunger and hardship before; it happened when the bougie reps of the Third Estate were put in a position of power by the circumstances presented. The February Russian Revolution did not happen at the height of serfdom or mass starvation; it happened when the forces of repression were weakened by outside distractions. The Iranian Revolution, the Carnation Revolution, the Irish War of Independence… all originating in states which had experienced far greater suffering in the past under those selfsame regimes.
Revolutions happen when people think they can win, not when suffering hits a certain threshold. And very often, people think they can win precisely because of hard-fought reforms putting them in a better position to strike.
Yeah idk, from hearing what they they don’t really seem super concerned about all that, they seem like regular old accelerationists without a solid plan (beyond cry online) with some red dye to me.
Which is why to me it seems a bit of astroturfing is plugged in. They dont have ideas or solutions only blame and divisiveness. A soundbite that small groups might latch onto. Start talking about unity of the plebs and they’ll get angry
More like swing to “communist” authoritarian government. We can only hope that anyone who doesn’t like the new state can be reducated in reducation camps. If not they will have to be killed.
Same as on reddit.
I lived happily oblivious of the existence of tankies until I randomly said I was voting for a democratic politician in r/latestagecapitalism.
Yeah, the fact that they’re all so anti-voting and/or “both sides”-y is why I think the root of most of the tankies’ thinking is Chinese propaganda. Like, just because you vote for someone doesn’t mean you are 100% aligned with everything they say. Or even 50% of it. Just means you’re more aligned with them than the other option. The only people who could possibly benefit from such a stupid mode of thought are part of authoritarian governments.
Yep. I nearly disagree as much with a democrat as a republican.
But pragmatically, I prefer that trans people and disabled people aren’t literally eradicated, and whether 1% or 50% of the population turn out, the election still stands so I’ll be voting.
That doesn’t mean I don’t do other things in a more revolutionary spirit, but I think it’s dumb not to vote.
OH, so you think that trans and disabled folk should be SPECIAL and EXCLUDED from genocide while other people are being genocided elsewhere??? Typical shitlib
/s
I wouldn’t even say it’s propaganda. It’s bad-faith. They find whatever reasons they can to not participate in the hopes that the system will get worse, and this will swing a magic political pendulum to the opposite side of socialist utopia.
The missing part is that magic political pendulum = “People suffer more and more until it boils over in a violent revolution with much death on all sides and The Party™ installs themselves as leaders of everything, which then will ‘dissolve itself’ ‘one day’ ‘when they’re no longer necessary.’”
Which might be even less likely to happen than if it was magic, tbf.
I would honestly be less upset if revolutions at least actually happened like that.
But they don’t.
People can suffer nearly infinitely (see: North Korea). It is when people are poised to strike that revolution happens. The French Revolution did not happen any of the innumerable times France had experienced hunger and hardship before; it happened when the bougie reps of the Third Estate were put in a position of power by the circumstances presented. The February Russian Revolution did not happen at the height of serfdom or mass starvation; it happened when the forces of repression were weakened by outside distractions. The Iranian Revolution, the Carnation Revolution, the Irish War of Independence… all originating in states which had experienced far greater suffering in the past under those selfsame regimes.
Revolutions happen when people think they can win, not when suffering hits a certain threshold. And very often, people think they can win precisely because of hard-fought reforms putting them in a better position to strike.
Yeah idk, from hearing what they they don’t really seem super concerned about all that, they seem like regular old accelerationists without a solid plan (beyond cry online) with some red dye to me.
Yeah, they don’t actually have any understanding of how events of any sort occur, it would seem.
Which is why to me it seems a bit of astroturfing is plugged in. They dont have ideas or solutions only blame and divisiveness. A soundbite that small groups might latch onto. Start talking about unity of the plebs and they’ll get angry
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
More like swing to “communist” authoritarian government. We can only hope that anyone who doesn’t like the new state can be reducated in reducation camps. If not they will have to be killed.
‘Electoralism’ is one of the things you’re not supposed to do in their book
Had to re-read that one a few times I first read it