Humanity is doomed because of America. Your anti-environmental capitalism and rapacious foreign policy have altered the world in an entirely negative way, and the only realistic scenario for the US to cut this shit out is by losing a war to a major competitor, such as China. China is hugely flawed itself, but is the less harmful option imo.
It also has about 4x the population, and doesn’t pollute 4x more.
Plus it’s still the largest manufacturing hub in the world. Europe would pollute a lot more if we hadn’t exported a lot of (some might say too much) of our industry to the developing world and China over the last 50 years.
I’m not holding China up as some panacea, it’s very far from perfect (e.g. authoritarian security state, denial of Taiwanese independence, etc.), but i do think it does less net harm than the US. I would also suggest that the things we criticise China for are things which we would overlook in a country which was perceived as less of a threat to western dominance.
In any case, i was trying to say not that i want the US to be like China, but rather that i think the only way to prevent the US from killing us all is through a radical change of attitude, most likely caused by the loss of a major conflict.
something is needed to radically halt US destruction of the world. I can’t think of anything which will achieve this short of a lost war. China is, afaik, the only potential enemy capable of inflicting this loss on the US.
i have no love but China (see my other comments in this thread), but objectively its existence has been less harmful to the rest of the world than that of the US.
Calling that a ‘tankie take’ is low effort shit which contributes nothing to the discussion. In any case, I’m pretty sure tankies are apologists for all the bad stuff China does, so not sure i fit into that category, babybus.
Humanity is doomed because of America. Your anti-environmental capitalism and rapacious foreign policy have altered the world in an entirely negative way, and the only realistic scenario for the US to cut this shit out is by losing a war to a major competitor, such as China. China is hugely flawed itself, but is the less harmful option imo.
China pollutes way more than the US though and are far less transparent about it.
It also has about 4x the population, and doesn’t pollute 4x more.
Plus it’s still the largest manufacturing hub in the world. Europe would pollute a lot more if we hadn’t exported a lot of (some might say too much) of our industry to the developing world and China over the last 50 years.
They’re also modernizing faster than us. They’ll be green first.
They literally just built like 9 coal plants last year…
I’m not holding China up as some panacea, it’s very far from perfect (e.g. authoritarian security state, denial of Taiwanese independence, etc.), but i do think it does less net harm than the US. I would also suggest that the things we criticise China for are things which we would overlook in a country which was perceived as less of a threat to western dominance.
In any case, i was trying to say not that i want the US to be like China, but rather that i think the only way to prevent the US from killing us all is through a radical change of attitude, most likely caused by the loss of a major conflict.
The down votes are coming from inside the
housecountry!Haha, yes, i think so. Although it can’t be easy when it feels like the rest of the world (well, lemmy) is piling on to talk shit about your country
No they don’t, what are you talking about?
I lived there for many years. Trust me, they do.
What does you living there have to do with it? They objectively don’t.
Everyday I was there I had to wear a mask and I developed asthma. Believe whatever you want.
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tankie take
If that’s your takeaway, you’ve missed the point. Well done.
Thanks! Happy New Year
But your point was that China is better than the US because… well because apparently it is.
No it wasn’t. Overall points:
Calling that a ‘tankie take’ is low effort shit which contributes nothing to the discussion. In any case, I’m pretty sure tankies are apologists for all the bad stuff China does, so not sure i fit into that category, babybus.
“But I said that it’s good even though nobody asked about China.”
Yeah, sure…
Whatever, dude, have a good one