I think the root of the Palestinian issue has to do with the direct funding of Israel by the USA. The regimes in play in Syria aren’t so cut and dry with things like funding and direct aid. That’s a remarkable difference despite geolocation.
I also think if you asked ten people about what ‘should’ happen with Palestinian or Syria you’d get ten different answers regardless of political leaning. Which is probably part of the problem as to why there’s a bottomless well of bad takes to reach for.
I became much more critical of western “leftists” after seeing all the word salad about “NATO made the russians do it” following Feb 22 and the general support for russian occupation of Ukrainian territories.
To be honest, I don’t understand their fascination with Assad. I can sort of see some logic for their support of russian genocidal imperialism (in a twisted, hypocritical way). But Assadist western leftists never made any sense at all.
P.S. This is of course not all western leftists. There are those who are consistent regarding Syria, Palestine and Ukraine.
But Assadist western leftists never made any sense at all.
“West Bad, therefore, anyone against the West, Good”
They’ll fall over themselves to defend the ultratheocratic Houthis and even the Islamic Republic of Iran, whilst simultaneously claiming that they only supported Assad because his ‘secular’ regime was better than the dreaded possibility of a theocracy.
The kind of ‘leftists’ who supported Assad have no real principles.
It’s easy to say that a brutal dictator must be deposed, but it’s important to understand what happens after they’re removed. Is his removal worth the risk of another theocracy in the region? The track record does not look good, but I guess we’ll find out.
Perhaps. But the fact of the matter is Assad did get removed. He was never able to gain full control of the country or showed any desire to enter real negotiations.
The only way to gain full control in a war is through might, but I wouldn’t say might makes right. As for negotiations, all opposition demanded “Assad must go” as a base requirement, which is kind of hard to find a middle ground on.
As for negotiations, all opposition demanded “Assad must go” as a base requirement, which is kind of hard to find a middle ground on.
“One officeholder must step down” is apparently an impossible demand.
When the officeholder is the one on the opposite side of the negotiation table, it tends to be a difficult point to reconcile. Do you think the ruler of a country should step down any time a group demands their resignation? Do you think Biden should’ve negotiated with the January 6th insurrectionists who wanted to forcibly install their own ruler?
When the officeholder is the one on the opposite side of the negotiation table, it tends to be a difficult point to reconcile.
Are you dense?
Heads of state stepping down as a result of domestic failures, even in authoritarian regimes, is incredibly normal.
Do you think the ruler of a country should step down any time a group demands their resignation?
Maybe consider losing most of the country for over a decade with no end in sight as a sign?
Do you think Biden should’ve negotiated with the January 6th insurrectionists who wanted to forcibly install their own ruler?
Jesus fucking Christ.
You’ll do anything to play apologist for dictators and atrocities, as per usual.
Are you dense?
No, but I know you are. In the future, avoid such an inflammatory posture if you’d like to continue having a polite conversation (assuming that is what you’d like). I’ve noticed that you love to immediately downvote my posts and then post your response, so maybe you aren’t interested in polite conversation but rather you’re just in it to win internet points. Speaking of which, enjoy a downvote from me.
Heads of state stepping down as a result of domestic failures, even in authoritarian regimes, is incredibly normal.
Depends on the domestic failure and whether that head of state thinks there is another path forward.
Maybe consider losing most of the country for over a decade with no end in sight as a sign?
With the power of hindsight, sure, but obviously that wasn’t the anticipated outcome. Even his opposition didn’t think the war would have lasted this long.
Jesus fucking Christ.
You’ll do anything to play apologist for dictators and atrocities, as per usual.
I see that you didn’t bother to answer my question and instead decided to accuse me of being an apologist for dictators and atrocities. This may blow your mind, but political discussions don’t have to consist of shallow absolutist statements over cartoon caricatures. Following your logic, I could just as easily accuse you of being a simp for terrorists (like the leader of HTS who still has a $10 million reward on his head for any information by the US), but I recognize how disingenuous that is, unlike you.
edit: Refreshed and saw your downvote. LMAO, another incoming PugJesus response, I guess!
