Wouldn’t really call it a sale considering that the Western powers never actually had control of Poland at any point.
The alternative would have been a brutal war with the USSR, given that the USSR had unilaterally asserted military and political control over Poland by the time negotiations began. Poland was also granted vast swathes of territory that had previously been part of Germany for centuries (approximately 1/4 of the pre-war territory of Germany, from which 12 million Germans were permanently expelled). So I’d have to argue they got a better deal than many other nationalities in the long run.
well they were “sold” at the Yalta Conference imo. but don’t worry this Stalin guy seems like he’s a strong trustworthy guy “because the Russians had greatly sinned against Poland”, “the Soviet government was trying to atone for those sins” you know by completely controlling it as a buffer defense zone for WWIII
The “price”, again, would have been war with the Soviets. While it may well have been beneficial to do so, you can look to Churchill to see how much public opinion there was behind the idea.
Yeah so why not avoid war by appeasement. Give Hitler France when we are at it shall we?
This is the fucked up part. Poles fought like demons for their freedom and got sold out. Now people say shit “oh we couldn’t do anything else” when they actually mean “Poland wasn’t worth it”. Poland had mutual defense agreements that if followed through with, would’ve ended the war in 1940 with the French in Berlin. Then they got betrayed a second time in Yalta.
The real fucked up part was that the British made the Polish fighter pilots who fought and died for them in the Battle of Britain go back to their now-occupied country.
Much like them stiffing the people who helped them in Afghanistan.
Do you also believe the Soviet Union had a moral obligation to conquer France because of the communist French partisans that fought for 5 years?
And America didn’t sign any of the pre war pacts with Poland that Britain and France signed. So you can blame France for not invading the Soviet Union to protect Polish democracy, but not America.
Uh huh, great job rewriting history. The US are traitors, same as the UK and France. Fuck em all, one after the other. Your country sold out brothers in arms.
Wouldn’t really call it a sale considering that the Western powers never actually had control of Poland at any point.
The alternative would have been a brutal war with the USSR, given that the USSR had unilaterally asserted military and political control over Poland by the time negotiations began. Poland was also granted vast swathes of territory that had previously been part of Germany for centuries (approximately 1/4 of the pre-war territory of Germany, from which 12 million Germans were permanently expelled). So I’d have to argue they got a better deal than many other nationalities in the long run.
well they were “sold” at the Yalta Conference imo. but don’t worry this Stalin guy seems like he’s a strong trustworthy guy “because the Russians had greatly sinned against Poland”, “the Soviet government was trying to atone for those sins” you know by completely controlling it as a buffer defense zone for WWIII
The “price”, again, would have been war with the Soviets. While it may well have been beneficial to do so, you can look to Churchill to see how much public opinion there was behind the idea.
Yeah so why not avoid war by appeasement. Give Hitler France when we are at it shall we?
This is the fucked up part. Poles fought like demons for their freedom and got sold out. Now people say shit “oh we couldn’t do anything else” when they actually mean “Poland wasn’t worth it”. Poland had mutual defense agreements that if followed through with, would’ve ended the war in 1940 with the French in Berlin. Then they got betrayed a second time in Yalta.
The real fucked up part was that the British made the Polish fighter pilots who fought and died for them in the Battle of Britain go back to their now-occupied country.
Much like them stiffing the people who helped them in Afghanistan.
Do you also believe the Soviet Union had a moral obligation to conquer France because of the communist French partisans that fought for 5 years?
And America didn’t sign any of the pre war pacts with Poland that Britain and France signed. So you can blame France for not invading the Soviet Union to protect Polish democracy, but not America.
Yeah, the US waited out most of the war against fascism and only joined after victory was likely.
The US were much more cowards than traitors.
A significant percentage of the US voters were fascists before WW2.
Uh huh, great job rewriting history. The US are traitors, same as the UK and France. Fuck em all, one after the other. Your country sold out brothers in arms.
and what ideal utopia do you hail from friend?
every country has been or is being run by bastards at some point or another. your rage is poorly articulated and pathetically targeted.
Re writing history? The US did not sign a mutual defense pact with Poland. By definition they couldn’t be a traitor to Poland.
By your definition, Poland is a traitor to Ukraine for only sending aid and not invading Russia to support Ukraine.
Might makes right, eh
Always has been.
Not at all?
Might makes it too costly in human lives and money. It has nothing to do with right or wrong.
Pretty much, yeah