This kind of shit is why the left keeps driving people away and is losing. This used to be called discrimination. It was easy to understand and uncontroversial. So of course the left had to reframe the issue, play stupid word games and try to alienate as many people as possible.
If you want to talk about word games, you should probably look up the history of the term itself. You might be surprised at how old it is and who used it more than half a century ago.
I don’t think there is any issue reframing. Rather, I think you’re trying to reframe the issue because you don’t want to recognize that white privilege and discrimination are different things. To be more precise, we are talking about racism, not discrimination in general. And precision matters, because when we use these kinds of words to talk about systemic problems, we’re trying to describe things accurately and as simply as we reasonably can.
So then it comes back to the standard question. Why don’t you like the expression? That’s always the delicate point, isn’t it? A lot of white people don’t want to admit that they were lucky when they got that skin color. Part of that is pride, of course. And that’s natural, but it doesn’t mean it’s good. And then part of it is plain old racism…
In the end, I agree with you: racist assholes definitely drift away from the left. Good.
I’m well aware of the history. You know who isn’t? The 90+% of the population who don’t consider themselves leftists or progressive. If you have to tell them, ”It’s not as bad as it initially sounds, let me spend several paragraphs explaining”, then you have already lost them. If they don’t know the precise academic definition and read something like “even homeless white people are privileged”, they’re going to think you’re insane. Why give yourself that handicap when you can just choose different words to convey the same ideas?
If you want to prioritize feeling superior, go for it. Just don’t be surprised when the left continues to be impotent and ignored.
They’re two ways of framing the same issue. Privilege is the absence of prejudicial discrimination. Those who are discriminated against lack privilege.
The difference is that every single time I’ve seen privilege discussed in the last 20 odd years since I noticed it become a popular term in leftist spaces, someone gets alienated because they take offense at being called privileged despite having a shitty life. It’s happened in this very thread.
And I’m not concern trolling. We’re about to have a fascist in the White House and several other countries are very likely to fall to them in the near future. We need to be discussing how to convert people to the left, because what we’ve been doing has not worked.
This kind of shit is why the left keeps driving people away and is losing. This used to be called discrimination. It was easy to understand and uncontroversial. So of course the left had to reframe the issue, play stupid word games and try to alienate as many people as possible.
If you want to talk about word games, you should probably look up the history of the term itself. You might be surprised at how old it is and who used it more than half a century ago.
I don’t think there is any issue reframing. Rather, I think you’re trying to reframe the issue because you don’t want to recognize that white privilege and discrimination are different things. To be more precise, we are talking about racism, not discrimination in general. And precision matters, because when we use these kinds of words to talk about systemic problems, we’re trying to describe things accurately and as simply as we reasonably can.
So then it comes back to the standard question. Why don’t you like the expression? That’s always the delicate point, isn’t it? A lot of white people don’t want to admit that they were lucky when they got that skin color. Part of that is pride, of course. And that’s natural, but it doesn’t mean it’s good. And then part of it is plain old racism…
In the end, I agree with you: racist assholes definitely drift away from the left. Good.
I’m well aware of the history. You know who isn’t? The 90+% of the population who don’t consider themselves leftists or progressive. If you have to tell them, ”It’s not as bad as it initially sounds, let me spend several paragraphs explaining”, then you have already lost them. If they don’t know the precise academic definition and read something like “even homeless white people are privileged”, they’re going to think you’re insane. Why give yourself that handicap when you can just choose different words to convey the same ideas?
If you want to prioritize feeling superior, go for it. Just don’t be surprised when the left continues to be impotent and ignored.
No, it was always privilege. Discrimination is something else. Also you’re concern trolling and you gotta stop that now.
They’re two ways of framing the same issue. Privilege is the absence of prejudicial discrimination. Those who are discriminated against lack privilege.
The difference is that every single time I’ve seen privilege discussed in the last 20 odd years since I noticed it become a popular term in leftist spaces, someone gets alienated because they take offense at being called privileged despite having a shitty life. It’s happened in this very thread.
And I’m not concern trolling. We’re about to have a fascist in the White House and several other countries are very likely to fall to them in the near future. We need to be discussing how to convert people to the left, because what we’ve been doing has not worked.
“don’t talk about these subjects because it will drive potential allies away” is the definition of concern trolling