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I mean Americans oversaw the transfer of power to fascists.
Sure Biden/Kamala should be issuing a warning, although they already have, many times. But the situation we find ourselves in is squarely on Americans.
Yeah, this post has big “third party voter” energy.
No American alive today had a say in the electoral college, yet it gave Bush Jr. and Donald Trump presidential powers despite the masses being against them. Americans weren’t in charge of the completely farcical 2000 election, Jeb Bush was. This time around, sure. The people have chosen this. Only after decades of witnessing how little representation they truly have.
If you haven’t heard of the brooks brothers riot look it up. A who’s who of Republican operatives who were handsomely rewarded after succeeding in the 2000 coup.
Remember, the Democrats aren’t allowed to call the Republicans fascists. It might hurt their feelings, and the Dem’s corporate masters don’t want any Republicans to have their feelings hurt. That’s why “weird” got tossed to the wayside despite being effective, that’s why Biden was chastised for calling Trump garbage, and that’s why even though Trump was “an enormous threat to our democracy,” the Dems refused to call a spade a spade. Meanwhile, Republicans are allowed to scrape the shit from their ass and sling it wherever they want.
What did you really expect the controlled opposition to do? Give a rousing speech about the tough times ahead? Inspire worker solidarity? The DNC is the poster child for corrupt old boomers, they do not give a fuck. They made millions of dollars off this election and will see zero consequence.
What I expect from Democrats in power is spinelessness and acquiescence, and they almost always deliver.
And yet, you all would vote for them in the blink of an eye again if the opportunity presented itself
Well, sure. You’re either with Team D or you’re with The Terrorists.
All we can do is vote for Dems. And when we do vote for Dems, all we can do is vote for the least offensive-to-conservatives Dems, in hopes that Liz Cheney can break away enough angry racist Memaws and Pep Peps to swing the election.
And when that fails, all we can do is blame those damned leftists for parading around with their stupid little “Stop Doing Genocide In Gaza” placards, because that’s obviously the reason Donald Trump is president.
Then we need to organize and unionize and agitate and protest for a few weeks in January when its the least influential or effective. After which we need to be reasonable and serious about compromising with the moderate wing of fascism again.
Hey, don’t fucking lump me in with those assholes. I’ve been calling out the Blue MAGA bullshit from the second .world started pushing it.
It’s more than nothing.
Just wanted to point out that the opposite of your prediction happened:
Sometimes it’s delightful to be wrong.
Statement of caution? Americans are about to get what they asked for and if I was Biden, I’d steal half the shit on my way out and pardon all my family and friends. It’s clear that those are the rules now, so may as well take advantage of it before giving up the presidency. But American voters and those who stayed home can fuck right off and enjoy the next 4 years and keep their mouth shut.
they’ve said a lot of statements of caution
Who said what again?
their entire campaign was based on it. come on now bud don’t be dense. it was a shit campaign but it was 100% about what a danger trump was. they lost because they brought nothing else to the table and that was the problem.
The subject at hand is the coming transfer of power to fascists, not the election. Since November 5, 2024, Biden and Harris have had nothing to say.
dense it is. there is nothing to say. they lost, because they did a shit job on the campaign trail and a meh job during their administration.
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biden and harris both called him a fascist… a lot
Simply untrue.
it made headlines… simply google it.
also, his farewell speech was all warnings….
also, you’re a twatDuring the campaign, Biden and Harris each alluded to Trump being a fascist, once, in answer to insistent questioning. You said “biden and harris both called him a fascist… a lot,” which is simply untrue.
His farewell speech was more than I’d expected, though.
Not interested in insults.
i’m not interested in willful ignorance
They spent their admin continuing many of Trump’s worst policies. Even put his deportation and fossil fuel extraction numbers to shame.
They’re not worried about it.
They’re giving us a very quiet “then perish” right now.
Civility is the highest liberal virtue.
Either it’s civility, or it’s compromise and reaching across the aisle, but of course even compromise must always be done with great civility.
They either didn’t believe the things they were saying or they don’t care.
Biden will expire before anything affects him and Kamala is rich enough to be unaffected. Of course they don’t care.
Or both.
Because they didn’t achieve them? …isn’t that exactly like you, though?
What do you want them to do? Barricade themselves in the Oval Office and go out in a blaze of glory?
Maybe arrest the criminal that was literally about to be sentenced?
Maybe not invite the dude over for cookies and tea.
Politicians are all on the same team against humanity.
This is the only alternative you can envision? Either Biden and Harris say nothing, as they’ve done since the election, or they go full Rambo in the White House?
Yes
In speech this week, Biden boasted about making the US so much stronger militarily that sets up Trump for “success”.
In another speech, or maybe the same one, he patted himself on the back for leaving Trump the strongest economy evah!
They are silent because the democrat party wanted all of of the power they refused to curbed. You wanna call Republicans fascists, well the leadership is, but so is Democrats leadership. We desperately need to remove both parties from all aspects of OUR government.
The peaceful transfer of power to fascists from fascists
Lets be real. This wouldn’t have happened if the dems weren’t also genocidal trash.
The people have spoken. The last duty of the outgoing administration is the orderly hand-off to the incoming admin.
What about this is hard to understand? They’re doing what we ask of them; even if you, me and they fear the next 2 years and then 2 more.
But I suspect this is just trolling.
They’re doing what
we ask of themthe people they talk to expect from them.I asked for nothing. I wanted Bernie or just anyone with a moral backbone. The howling of the people remained unheard
… as always.
The majority of voters speak for us all, and we asked for racist plutocratic theocratic fascism.
I cannot fathom how any decent human being could cast any kind of vote for trump but the people that did are not the actual problem.
The fact that there where only 2 options of the same 2 cults the majority has gotten tired off is the problem.
It is post election and we sadly cant redo it. There is little sense to make a “us and them” between voters and non voters besides a subtle “told you so” now and then when leopards eat there faces. Always remember devision is a political weapon used against us. It would be the higher dynamic of the politica Theater working exactly as designed to make sure we the people cant organize power.
If you want ballot access reform and campaign finance reform, Vote Dem. You’re right that the Trump voters aren’t the problem the almost 7 million voters who stayed home compared to 2020 are.
No, Biden has a duty to protect the constitution, so letting the fascists take over is a dereliction of duty.
It’s a fine line to tread. Biden and Harris have a Constitutional duty to step aside on January 20, and let Trump and Vance take over, but there’s no duty to acquiesce so quietly and cooperatively. They could be leading pro-civil rights rallies and delivering speeches on national TV, but of course, if they did they wouldn’t be Biden and Harris.
We invision leaders who have moral fortitude, believe in justice, want to make the world better, and have a plan to do so.
What we actually have are people who showed up, people who sold out, people who can navigate petty social interactions, and people who cling to power because it’s their ticket to an easy life.
Never should anyone be surprised when they let us down. It’s all theatre and the few who might fit the bill get isolated and rejected because they threaten the rests existence.
Explain precisely what you want him to do. Should he refuse to hand over power in “defense of the constitution”? Be specific.
you can invade, stage coups and meddle in other countries to bring or protect “democracy” then why not your own?
Let’s try this again. Explain precisely what you want Biden to do. He specific. Rhetorical questions don’t count.
I’ll tell you want I want him to do. Nothing. I want him to retire from politics. I want him to admit guilt that he never put up a fight and never intended to. I want him to be ashamed about the direction he lead the country in. I want him to denounce his stake in the DNC and encourage his peers to do the same.
What is happening now is a major failing of both parties. If they so desperately want to be the only two horses that get to race then they take responsibility for every other horse they’ve essentially knee capped.
I’ll tell you want I want him to do. Nothing. I want him to retire from politics. I want him to admit guilt that he never put up a fight and never intended to. I want him to be ashamed about the direction he lead the country in. I want him to denounce his stake in the DNC and encourage his peers to do the same.
I would only quibble that what you’ve suggested is not ‘nothing’. It’s not a lot, but it’s far more than Biden (or Harris) has ever done, or are ever likely to do. If either of them did what you suggest, they’d have my respect for the first time.
The
peoplemoneyed interests in charge of a deeply unrepresentative system have spokenFixed that for you. If not for several kinds of voter suppression and the Dem leadership being deaf to the left two thirds of the base, the GOP would have become permanently uncompetitive to the point of irrelevance DECADES ago.
What about this is hard to understand? They’re doing what we ask of them
False, see above. The US is one of the LEAST representative “democracies” in the world even when you DON’T count legal corruption as corruption.
But I suspect this is just trolling.
BIG “criticizing Biden means you love Trump” energy 🙄
They are trolling, yes. Part of their campaign message was also quite clear about simply not being Trump
They will be fine. With their millions of dollars, book sales, philanthropic foundations, speech engagements, fundraising… The changing of the guard doesn’t mean shit to them except they’re not on the government dime anymore.
The rest of the (sane) country? Watching them row away from the Titanic in a half-empty lifeboat.
They’ll do even better because they can cynically fundraise off it. Almost like they lose on purpose and all their bleating about saving democracy is not to be taken seriously when they had four fucking years to try trump for j6 but slow walked it instead.
Just like they shouldn’t be taken seriously for protecting abortion rights when they had fifty fucking years to codify roe v Wade.
Or how they shouldn’t be taken seriously regarding healthcare when it was one of their own senators (there’s always a patsy) tanked single payer healthcare.
Same with raising the minimum wage. There’s always a patsy willing to play ball for the donor class.
Exactly.
What are they supposed to do?
The majority voted for Trump. What more is there to discuss?
A PLURALITY voted for Trump, NOT a majority. Don’t help them with their propaganda
It was a simple majority or relative majority.
Either way trump got 49,9% while Harris got 48,3% so he absolutely got a major majority if you ignore the ones that would never win anyway.
And 49,9% is obviously so close to 50% anyways so not rounding is pretty much only pedantic.
How many eligible voters didn’t vote?
Why does that matter? Who cares what those apathetic idiots think?
Because using the technically correct word is better and important, especially when dealing with lying, manipulating propagandists who will bully their way as much as possible.
People that don’t vote are completely irrelevant in a discussion about an election.
Was it truly majority? And is it 100% certain there was no fraud?
I heard in finland’s news there was somekind of arson attack at some point which destroyed bunch of votes, while the elections were still going but i have no idea how much. I dont think they would fabricate such news.
Afaik there is no evidence to the contrary.
No evidence as in it has been investigated reliably and nothing was found or as in nothing has been done because there is no obvious evidence?
I’m like you, no expert on American elections, but as far as I know no evidence exists which necessitates a more in depth investigation than what’s usual.
If you search there are loads of attempts by russians to influence the election but none seem to have been very successful. So there has certainly been attempts but there is nothing pointing to any influence great enough to sway the election in any way.
I assume you were referring to this article earlier: https://www.hs.fi/maailma/art-2000010793845.html
In the first incident only 3 ballots were damaged and in the later incident roughly 488 were damaged. https://apnews.com/article/ballot-drop-box-fires-portland-vancouver-60fea753ceb761624e6aba49f0e9dd99
The vast majority of the damaged ballots were able to be identified so replacement ballots could be sent. Only 6 were unidentifiable. A few more may have burned down completely and weren’t even able to be unidentifiable.
I just cant believe actual majority of americans would want that idiot in power.
Yeah, I absolutely get that.
It’s honestly quite sad.
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The majority didn’t vote at all.
About 36% of eligible voters didn’t vote. That’s not a majority. Can we be accurate with facts here?
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Like in the Trolley problem, not making a choice is itself a choice.
No, and that’s their fault.
It’s very unfortunate but that’s the way it is. Deal with it and stop complaining. Find a good way to win the next election instead.
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They could at least stand behind the messaging from the campaign.
If you call someone a dangerous threat to democracy for a year, and then when they get elected you wish them well and act civil, it really undermines your point about the whole threat to democracy thing.
They are a threat because they will do what you want Biden to do.
Exactly. I believe Trump truly is an existential threat to the world and American democracy. To Biden and Harris, it was just campaign jargon.
Wall, I for one appreciate when someone acta civil. Especially when they can’t do anything anyway.
Because you have no fight in you. Was MLK civil? More than Malcolm, maybe, but no he wasn’t.
Bernie Sanders has more fight right now than anyone in the upper echelons of the DNC.
They weren’t president though.
Presidents, president candidates, and other persons of similar power should just accept that they lost and not do another trump. That’s unless you want a political climate where every election there are fights regarding who won and a bunch of bullshit childish behaviour.
Presidents are supposed to be professionals and should act like it and that includes not being a bad loser.
But by all means you should protest every day of his presidency. But also remember that you guys choose this yourselves.
I didn’t choose hitler 2.0, no. I find this complacency you have revolting.
The correct time to do something about Trump was 4 years ago after January 6th. He should be in prison on sedition.
The correct time to smile as you hand the keys over is never. And yet, that’s what the democrats are doing.
No acknowledgment of their colossal failure,
no acknowledgment of their present unelectibility,
no acknowledgment of how hard things are about to be for people,
no leadership about what to do now that our government is owned by X.com,
no resistance.I’m not asking for a second January 6th: do the democrats even care?
Presidents are supposed to be professionals and should act like it
I’ll try to remember this as the corpses of Trump’s administration pile up.
If you honestly think that. You should consider moving to another country.
Or revolt or something.
I’m not asking for a second January 6th: do the democrats even care?
What are you asking for then? Should they just frown or make angry comments? Why, what’s the point?
Sounds like you are just asking for a therapist.
I’ll try to remember this as the corpses of Trump’s administration pile up.
Absolutely. It will quite the sight to behold, lol.
What are you asking for then?
Literally anything to rebuild public faith.
If you haven’t seen it, this was Bernie Sander’s response to Trump’s victory given while Kamala Harris, our last hope, was on vacation.
The DNC is so beaurocratic, toothless, and boring that they lost to someone who holds the bible upside down.
And why? Because they don’t believe in anything. They’re soulless husks that amber about doing whatever their corporate donors tell them will sell to their demographics right now.
What should they do? I’d love to hear one of them present a single fucking idea. Even a bad one.
Blue states, round the national guard, project yourself as a safe haven for the would-be deported. Blue in the senate, obstruct and delay as much as possible. Pull the fire alarm, I don’t know. The system has crumbled, act like it.
Anyway, I’ve been soapboxing for long enough. You have a good day, man.
Presidents are supposed to be professionals and should act like it and that includes not being a bad loser.
Apparently, you wrote the rule book and Biden and Harris are following it.
Bruh, yeah obviously I wrote my own opinions.
So you’re an idiot.
Rude!
It’s okay if your hot take isn’t popular, don’t take it out on everyone else though…
With effort and imagination, insults can be amusing, interesting, outrageous, or profound.Please give us higher-quality insults, or no insults at all.
He’s an idiot screeching for decorum during the fall of the Republic, he doesn’t deserve better and coating an insult in wit doesn’t change its nature or intent.
screeching
Holy hyperbole batman, your reading comprehension might need some work.
Oh, look. They’re flocking.
The majority voted for Trump in a country with voter suppression, gerrymandering, and even terrorist threats against voters / poll workers. I don’t know what to think of that statistic in light of… many exhausting decades of bullshit.
So what? What are they supposed to do?
Stage an insurrection?
Hah can you imagine? I’m just dubious about Trump having a mandate.
yeah this stuff is so rediculous. What if they had warned? then the meme would go to the next goalpost or whatever.
