Stalin criminalised homosexuality with a punishment of five years prison labour. Go ahead and repeat that fact on Hexbear, and see how many “radical leftists” are willing to make excuses for a homophobe
Isn’t this just an argument that left-right is a bad categorisation?
Tankies are authoritarian socialists. The american right are authoritarian and socially conservative individualists. Anarchists are libertarian socialists. American libertarians are also individualists.
There are lots of other dimensions too, but the left-right designation has been kind of useless at least since communists started fucking over anarchists in various parts of Eurasia in the first half of last century…
No, it’s an argument that not everybody who claims to be left is actually progressive. Not everybody who claims to promote ownership of means of production by the people actually cares about human rights.
Stalin is a conflicting historical figure, who is neither a monster nor a savior, and so the way you describe him would differ depending on the angle of the conversation.
If the talking point is the rights of the LGBT+ people (or, really, people’s rights overall sometimes), there’s no excuse for him there, and I’m pretty sure Hexbear is not quite the place for a homophobic rhetoric.
But they may point out in other terms that under Stalin’s rule the economy got insanely boosted, the WW2 was won, and many megaprojects used to this day were constructed.
Stalin is a conflicting historical figure, who is neither a monster nor a savior
His one and only redeeming deed was that he finally, eventually, only after being stabbed in the back by his former ally Hitler, fought against him by throwing millions of russians at them and thanks to US support managed barely to win.
In every other way he was a total monster, directly responsible for an amazing amount of human suffering that still lingers today in modern day Russia. If Communism had something good in it, Stalin personally ruined it for pretty much everyone for a long time.
Already establishing? What does that even mean, lol
Stalin also didn’t promote national capital - aside from the fact the word “capital” does not reflect quite the same thing in the context of socialism, the policy of “socialism in a separate country” is nothing more than a reaction to the failure of world revolution. He continued international partnerships with socialist countries and participated in The Communist International.
Soviet Union did not genocide Jews and was not tied to Holocaust. The alliance with Nazis only held through the first stage of WWII as long as it was seen more as a contained European issue. It is true, however, that Soviet Union participated in occupation of Poland.
It means the USSR was already industrializing – and Stalin made sure that process would be (1) tightly controlled by the state & (2) would benefit primarily the imperial core of Russia.
If you think capital does not bear relevance to the development of the USSR, you have not understood Leninism.
The USSR killed Jews en masse, mostly as elements of a ‘cosmopolitan bourgeoisie’ (clear antisemitic dogwhistle) or simply as Jews. He also directed his cabinet to collaborate with the Nazis in their holocaust, firing Litvinov as FM and installing Molotov with clear instructions to comply with the Nazis. Heck, even Khrushchev admitted that Stalin died on the cusp of engineering a holocaust of his own. I will refrain on commenting how he treated other minorities.
no they have right wing ideals. they just use left wing terminology to push a right wing worldview.
edit: suddenly it seems tankie is about equality and support for the little guy, and more comically anti-imperialist. hmm I wonder where the word “tankie” comes from…
As in “we are anti imperialists, unless we’re the ones doing the oppression”. Honestly, ime, a common position amongst global south immigrants getting their first high-ish salary in Europe. All about wealth redistribution until you realise you can fly back home and live like a king off those inequalities.
Tankies are factually left-wing. Their actions, however, sometimes play into the deck of right-wingers when they try to fuck around with the system.
Stalin criminalised homosexuality with a punishment of five years prison labour. Go ahead and repeat that fact on Hexbear, and see how many “radical leftists” are willing to make excuses for a homophobe
Isn’t this just an argument that left-right is a bad categorisation?
Tankies are authoritarian socialists. The american right are authoritarian and socially conservative individualists. Anarchists are libertarian socialists. American libertarians are also individualists.
There are lots of other dimensions too, but the left-right designation has been kind of useless at least since communists started fucking over anarchists in various parts of Eurasia in the first half of last century…
No, it’s an argument that not everybody who claims to be left is actually progressive. Not everybody who claims to promote ownership of means of production by the people actually cares about human rights.
Tankies aren’t left.
People have said that plenty on .ml. The only response I saw was people saying that was a bad move from Stalin and he should not have done that.
Stalin is a conflicting historical figure, who is neither a monster nor a savior, and so the way you describe him would differ depending on the angle of the conversation.
If the talking point is the rights of the LGBT+ people (or, really, people’s rights overall sometimes), there’s no excuse for him there, and I’m pretty sure Hexbear is not quite the place for a homophobic rhetoric.
But they may point out in other terms that under Stalin’s rule the economy got insanely boosted, the WW2 was won, and many megaprojects used to this day were constructed.
No he’s a monster. You don’t stop being a monster because you also did good alongside the evil.
You could say the same things about Churchill who certainly wasn’t left wing.
Being lucky oil prices went up (same for Putin) and people thinking it’s your magic leadership lol.
The oil prices boomed around WW2, while the highest wave of economic growth in the Soviet Union was in the 30’s.
It is Khrushchev and following leaders that benefitted from oil
And those two things you mentioned have nothing to do with his political alignment
His one and only redeeming deed was that he finally, eventually, only after being stabbed in the back by his former ally Hitler, fought against him by throwing millions of russians at them and thanks to US support managed barely to win.
In every other way he was a total monster, directly responsible for an amazing amount of human suffering that still lingers today in modern day Russia. If Communism had something good in it, Stalin personally ruined it for pretty much everyone for a long time.
Replace Stalin with Hitler and you understand how insane you sound. (Oh and ditch the part about winning ww2)
Hitler took an already established economy and rearranged it towards national capital while killing Jews en masse and initiating a World War.
Not quite comparable.
Stalin took an already establishing economy and rearranged it towards national capital while killing Jews en masse and allied with Nazi’s.
Already establishing? What does that even mean, lol
Stalin also didn’t promote national capital - aside from the fact the word “capital” does not reflect quite the same thing in the context of socialism, the policy of “socialism in a separate country” is nothing more than a reaction to the failure of world revolution. He continued international partnerships with socialist countries and participated in The Communist International.
Soviet Union did not genocide Jews and was not tied to Holocaust. The alliance with Nazis only held through the first stage of WWII as long as it was seen more as a contained European issue. It is true, however, that Soviet Union participated in occupation of Poland.
It means the USSR was already industrializing – and Stalin made sure that process would be (1) tightly controlled by the state & (2) would benefit primarily the imperial core of Russia.
If you think capital does not bear relevance to the development of the USSR, you have not understood Leninism.
The USSR killed Jews en masse, mostly as elements of a ‘cosmopolitan bourgeoisie’ (clear antisemitic dogwhistle) or simply as Jews. He also directed his cabinet to collaborate with the Nazis in their holocaust, firing Litvinov as FM and installing Molotov with clear instructions to comply with the Nazis. Heck, even Khrushchev admitted that Stalin died on the cusp of engineering a holocaust of his own. I will refrain on commenting how he treated other minorities.
no they have right wing ideals. they just use left wing terminology to push a right wing worldview.
edit: suddenly it seems tankie is about equality and support for the little guy, and more comically anti-imperialist. hmm I wonder where the word “tankie” comes from…
As in economic equality and support for disadvantaged groups?
Only to those who fall in line, else they get the tank again.
As in “we are anti imperialists, unless we’re the ones doing the oppression”. Honestly, ime, a common position amongst global south immigrants getting their first high-ish salary in Europe. All about wealth redistribution until you realise you can fly back home and live like a king off those inequalities.