• MrMamiya@feddit.de
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    If Linux was dominant it wouldn’t be Linux. There would be more pressure to monetize and there would always be someone willing to sell out for that money. You can see this even in the Linux community today. I’m sorry I had to be so negative about it though, it sounds nice.

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      If windows didn’t exist, linux would dominate with the problems you describe, and we’d still see this meme, but advocating for FreeBSD instead.

      That being said, I like them both. It’s been a while since I last used bsd, so I think it’s about time I give it another spin.

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        I’m unsure. I switch between MacOS and Linux regularly.

        I’d reckon Apple’s OS would dominate the “user friendly” space(not saying Linux is bad, just what everyone memes).

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      If Linux was dominant it wouldn’t be Linux. There would be more pressure to monetize and there would always be someone willing to sell out for that money. You can see this even in the Linux community today. I’m sorry I had to be so negative about it though, it sounds nice.

      This is a very Desktop/workstation-centric view of the situation and you’re completely neglecting 3/4ths of the story. Linux is already hilariously dominant on the on-prem server and Cloud side of things. Like, it’s not even close. Pretty much any website you visit, the odds are overwhelming that it’s running Linux. Even Microsoft runs most of the underlying infrastructure for Azure and Github on Linux. Android is the #1 mobile phone platform in the world, which runs on, you guessed it, Linux.

      And it’s already monetized to the gills. Red Hat has multi-billion earnings per quarter, every quarter, and Canonical is almost certainly going to IPO this year.

      It’s already dominant in pretty much every space it touches and it has been for a very long time. Desktop/workstation is pretty much the singular exception to that.

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        Yeah man it’s more of what you might call an allegory for how capitalism works. Language is my thing, looks like Linux is yours. I’m sure this information will be very helpful for anyone who might read my post and mistake me for an expert. Thanks for your service.

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      Who, exactly, do you think would “sell out for money”, and why would they have the power to do so? Linux is huge, and the pressure to monetize is there now. Plenty of people have been trying to monetize Linux - and in many cases, succeeding - for decades now. Why do you think being dominant would change that?

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    Not really. Having heterogeneity among operating systems is better than pure homogeneity. Say, if everyone ran Linux, and some massive security flaw was discovered, we would all be screwed at the same time. However, if we ran different stuff, and some massive security hole was found for just one operating system, then only a small portion of the world is vulnerable at once. Besides, more operating systems can lead to more innovation, as long as there is good competition between them.

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      If the whole world focused and used just 1 OS for every system for a long enough time line, I think it would evolve fast enough to reach a point of perfection, where there are no security holes or flaws of any kind. I do believe that while programming has many ways of doing the same task, there is always an objectively best way to do it. Eventually the best way to do everything an OS needs to do would be found; it would be faster if there was only 1 OS to work with to reach that point.

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        where there are no security holes or flaws of any kind

        this in itself is straight up impossible to know or prove. when can you say your program has no vulnerabilities? ever hear of zerodays? finding the best way to do everything in software will never be found or stay constant either.

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        I do believe that while programming has many ways of doing the same task, there is always an objectively best way to do it.

        Language has many ways of expressing the same thing, is there an objectively best way to do it?

        Is that sentence the best way to ask that question?

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    The problem is capitalism, not which kernel everything runs. And the reason FOSS isn’t universal is also capitalism.

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        There’s probably one computer at most per employee, but each employee already has a non Windows cell phone. Most servers run Linux. Then there’s Linux in a bunch of small devices as well. Windows is a small part of that pie and only getting smaller.

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        Windows Server for usage in actual servers? Those companies must be retarded to the core.

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          Windows Server is rather common in large enterprise software. All the stuff you pray you never have to interface with

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            It sure is convenient. You get a user friendly GUI. But the stability, the resource intensity and the spyware. It’s really a retarded decision to build your servers on Windows Server.

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              Yes, but some software, and it’s usually a financial application, requires a Windows Server.

              I’ve seen it more than once, as I had to set up the machine, I was dying inside, but there was just no alternative that the accounting could use.

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          It’s really common. The IT people know how to use Windows, and they need Active Directory to manage their Windows devices, so they just use Windows Server.

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      Because Linux isn’t really one thing. If the kernel developers do something bad, just fork the kernel and remove it.

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      Its not dominating everything but we can make foss our own. I.e. Linux don’t dominate over us but “we are using linux the way we want”

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    No, because everyone would be sitting around jacking each other off about using linux, if current trends are to be believed.

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      There’s a weird secretive compound on the edge of town. If you go up to the gate and try to talk to them they just reply “I use Arch BTW”.

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    Linux kernel

    Nah bro, chrome OS is fucking ridiculous not to mention android too.

    We need the other linux not just kernel.

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      Why?
      I’ve tried to Google this, but it’s such a general statement I can’t find anything about it.
      Is it more mature in that regard? Sane/sensible/safe defaults for networking? More tools as part of the distribution for networking?
      Did FreeBSD (or it’s predecessor/upstream/whatever) define the standards, so the implementation is more correct?

      Or is it just that so many firewall applications run on top of FreeBSD (or a BSD flavour) eg opnSense, pfSense, openWRT (is openWRT actually BSD, idk)?
      So, kinda a historical/momentum thing. With the benefits of wide spread specific use

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        OpenBSD is focused on being incredibly secure, and they generally succeed. Firewalls need good security.

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        FreeBSD this focused on making a general use operating system

        Open BSD is focusing on security the developer insists on regular audits.

        Under most circumstances I wouldn’t really care, we’re getting a long well enough on Microsoft and Android with security updates all the time. That firewall man, it’s sitting out there with its ass hanging in the wind, The only thing between you and a billion hastily written scripts.