It was just a difference of opinion in the way they wanted to moderate the community and how the admin wanted to moderate her server. And of course, the admin has the last word.
But this stuff happens all the time on Lemmy, the only unusual thing is they decided to take the nuclear option and lock the community. Then they realized their mistake and unlocked it. It is what it is. I just get annoyed at all the people who flock to this drama like flies to shit so they can pile on the mods. It’s super lame.
I am not going to take a community off of people who haven’t broken any instance rules. Mods need to have confidence that the communities they run aren’t going to be arbitrarily taken away from them because of an issue with an instance admin.
That’s an interesting difference to note with the usual admin/mod hierarchy
so they can pile on the mods. It’s super lame.
Mods shouldn’t make such decisions without asking the community first. That was supposedly the idea of Lemmy, having power tripping mods being kept in check by meta communities like [email protected] and the ability to move to another community on a whim. Still impressive to see how [email protected] got active in only a few hours, that’s definitely something that’s interesting.
Dude they’ve been doing this for the entire time since the switch happened. I give it another 24 hours or so for the schadenfreude and then the smart thing is to simply block and ignore their little corner of the internet.
Yeah, it took me a long time to realize because that user is extremely careful to always be superficially polite and always framing their actions as trying to help the fediverse, but I’m beginning to recognize that they’re basically an energy vampire that just drags down the vibe of Lemmy with constant but what about or I don’t fully agree replies.
They seem to make every discussion way more complicated and contentious than it needs to be. What is the point of constantly linking and posting about every single time that anybody has a disagreement on Lemmy? They would nominally say they do it to expose mod abuse or whatever, but it’s typically fairly innocuous incidents that get blown way out of proportion. Mods aren’t ever going to be perfect, and constantly putting them and also random users on blast is extremely unproductive, because you get a whole bunch of commenters who don’t understand any of the nuance of the situation and inevitably get their pitchforks out, causing way more frustration and anger than the original situation would have caused otherwise.
They also never upvote anybody who replies to them, even when they occasionally claim to agree, which is extremely rare in itself. Who does that? Like how do you use Lemmy that much but consistently refuse to upvote the other users who are taking time out of their day to have a discussion with you? They make using Lemmy seem boring and tedious, which is really quite a remarkable accomplishment considering how many other interesting personalities we have on here. And they always sound extremely insincere when they performatively congratulate or thank others, often opting for a one word Nice! or Thanks. Like I said, energy vampire. I could go on, but you get the message. I do not like this user and I am suspicious of their intentions.
Yeah, it took me a long time to realize because that user is extremely careful to always be superficially polite and always framing their actions as trying to help the fediverse, but I’m beginning to recognize that they’re basically an energy vampire that just drags down the vibe of Lemmy with constant but what about or I don’t fully agree replies.
They seem to make every discussion way more complicated and contentious than it needs to be. What is the point of constantly linking and posting about every single time that anybody has a disagreement on Lemmy? They would nominally say they do it to expose mod abuse or whatever, but it’s typically fairly innocuous incidents that get blown way out of proportion. Mods aren’t ever going to be perfect, and constantly putting them and also random users on blast is extremely unproductive, because you get a whole bunch of commenters who don’t understand any of the nuance of the situation and inevitably get their pitchforks out, causing way more frustration and anger than the original situation would have caused otherwise.
They also never upvote anybody who replies to them, even when they occasionally claim to agree, which is extremely rare in itself. Who does that? Like how do you use Lemmy that much but consistently refuse to upvote the other users who are taking time out of their day to have a discussion with you? They make using Lemmy seem boring and tedious, which is really quite a remarkable accomplishment considering how many other interesting personalities we have on here. And they always sound extremely insincere when they performatively congratulate or thank others, often opting for a one word Nice! or Thanks. Like I said, energy vampire. I could go on, but you get the message. I do not like this user and I am suspicious of their intentions.
I’m just going to quote the whole thing because it’s just too good.
Ok. If you are sincere then I am sorry, but that only means that you should majorly re-evaluate your behavior and try to honestly analyze if you are having the positive impact you claim to desire for Lemmy.
If you truly have an interest in improving the fediverse and making it a better place with better communities and a more diverse group of users, then you should be able to recognize that I am on your side, despite your personal dislike of me. I know that I come off as condescending and arrogant at times, but that’s because I deeply care about making this platform succeed, and it can be immensely frustrating when those who claim to support and believe in the platform seem to be acting counterproductively and worsening the climate on Lemmy by fanning the flames of petty drama and constantly calling for communities to split apart, servers to defederate, users to be banned, etc.
You consider that mods locking a whole community without intent to reopen it is petty drama. The 290 comments on that announcement show the opposite: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20937206
(I know you don’t care about links, but I’m doing this for other people reading this).
constantly calling for communities to split apart,
Not sure if that’s because you only follow this account, but the one where I post most “in community” content is @[email protected]. I regularly post there trying to build communities rather than split them.
I’m also the main poster on [email protected] , which objective is indeed to grow communities.
servers to defederate
Kind of similar to the point above. Ml, hexbear and lemmygrad are known to be tankies, so I was suggesting one instance to have them all defederated, to allow for new joiners to have a better first experience on Lemmy: https://feddit.org/post/6819084
Is it really that debatable? The feedback from the comments was quite positive. I don’t remember calling for any other defederation, but maybe I forgot.
users to be banned
When did I last asked for someone to be banned? My latest comment on the kind was there, but I was actually against a ban:
IP banning him from the whole site seems too much.
Fair enough. I do appreciate your posting of content at times. However, not all content is good content. Quality trumps quantity.
Maybe it would be best to focus more time on non-meta topics, like sports communities, gaming communities, hobbyist communities, etc. I feel that the neverending discussions of what is going on with whatever Lemmy server or communities and what needs to be done about it become a self fulfilling prophecy. The more that people focus on it, the more they tend to disagree.
Sometimes users and mods and admins are going to have disagreements and get angry at each other. It doesn’t need to be linked all over Lemmy every time that happens. We already have plenty of options for servers, it’s best to allow instances to handle their disagreements internally/privately and we don’t need everyone else in the fediverse getting in on every bit of drama. If the admins and mods are truly that bad at their jobs, the users will speak with their actions by leaving the server and/or community.
MeanwhileOnGrad is indeed a community that has generated some drama, and our admins have had discussions about this. Our current consensus is that due to the draconian censorship on hexbear always and lemmy.ml sometimes, it’s important to have hard evidence of some of the crazy and violent things that those communities upvote and agree with. This provides an easy way for new users to see for themselves what they are getting into if they choose to interact with, or god forbid join, one of the tankie servers. Although some drama gets generated along with that, the alternative would be to leave the blatant lies and bad faith tactics unchecked, which would be a much bigger problem imo.
It was just a difference of opinion in the way they wanted to moderate the community and how the admin wanted to moderate her server. And of course, the admin has the last word.
But this stuff happens all the time on Lemmy, the only unusual thing is they decided to take the nuclear option and lock the community. Then they realized their mistake and unlocked it. It is what it is. I just get annoyed at all the people who flock to this drama like flies to shit so they can pile on the mods. It’s super lame.
Ada has expressed she didn’t want to intervene
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/12477708
That’s an interesting difference to note with the usual admin/mod hierarchy
Mods shouldn’t make such decisions without asking the community first. That was supposedly the idea of Lemmy, having power tripping mods being kept in check by meta communities like [email protected] and the ability to move to another community on a whim. Still impressive to see how [email protected] got active in only a few hours, that’s definitely something that’s interesting.
Removed by mod
Dude they’ve been doing this for the entire time since the switch happened. I give it another 24 hours or so for the schadenfreude and then the smart thing is to simply block and ignore their little corner of the internet.
Yeah, it took me a long time to realize because that user is extremely careful to always be superficially polite and always framing their actions as trying to help the fediverse, but I’m beginning to recognize that they’re basically an energy vampire that just drags down the vibe of Lemmy with constant but what about or I don’t fully agree replies.
They seem to make every discussion way more complicated and contentious than it needs to be. What is the point of constantly linking and posting about every single time that anybody has a disagreement on Lemmy? They would nominally say they do it to expose mod abuse or whatever, but it’s typically fairly innocuous incidents that get blown way out of proportion. Mods aren’t ever going to be perfect, and constantly putting them and also random users on blast is extremely unproductive, because you get a whole bunch of commenters who don’t understand any of the nuance of the situation and inevitably get their pitchforks out, causing way more frustration and anger than the original situation would have caused otherwise.
They also never upvote anybody who replies to them, even when they occasionally claim to agree, which is extremely rare in itself. Who does that? Like how do you use Lemmy that much but consistently refuse to upvote the other users who are taking time out of their day to have a discussion with you? They make using Lemmy seem boring and tedious, which is really quite a remarkable accomplishment considering how many other interesting personalities we have on here. And they always sound extremely insincere when they performatively congratulate or thank others, often opting for a one word Nice! or Thanks. Like I said, energy vampire. I could go on, but you get the message. I do not like this user and I am suspicious of their intentions.
I’m just going to quote the whole thing because it’s just too good.
Ok. If you are sincere then I am sorry, but that only means that you should majorly re-evaluate your behavior and try to honestly analyze if you are having the positive impact you claim to desire for Lemmy.
If you truly have an interest in improving the fediverse and making it a better place with better communities and a more diverse group of users, then you should be able to recognize that I am on your side, despite your personal dislike of me. I know that I come off as condescending and arrogant at times, but that’s because I deeply care about making this platform succeed, and it can be immensely frustrating when those who claim to support and believe in the platform seem to be acting counterproductively and worsening the climate on Lemmy by fanning the flames of petty drama and constantly calling for communities to split apart, servers to defederate, users to be banned, etc.
You consider that mods locking a whole community without intent to reopen it is petty drama. The 290 comments on that announcement show the opposite: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20937206
(I know you don’t care about links, but I’m doing this for other people reading this).
Not sure if that’s because you only follow this account, but the one where I post most “in community” content is @[email protected]. I regularly post there trying to build communities rather than split them.
And if you are referring to split communities like [email protected] to [email protected] , that’s because ml are known to be very power tripping: https://feddit.uk/post/12952230. This is known, and there is even a whole community dedicated to them, on your instance: [email protected]. I don’t post there that often.
I recently asked for consolidation of [email protected] and [email protected].
And if you are referring to [email protected] , that was initiated by PugJesus, not by me: https://sh.itjust.works/post/29284968?scrollToComments=true
I’m also the main poster on [email protected] , which objective is indeed to grow communities.
Kind of similar to the point above. Ml, hexbear and lemmygrad are known to be tankies, so I was suggesting one instance to have them all defederated, to allow for new joiners to have a better first experience on Lemmy: https://feddit.org/post/6819084
Is it really that debatable? The feedback from the comments was quite positive. I don’t remember calling for any other defederation, but maybe I forgot.
When did I last asked for someone to be banned? My latest comment on the kind was there, but I was actually against a ban:
https://feddit.org/post/6939586/4208071
Fair enough. I do appreciate your posting of content at times. However, not all content is good content. Quality trumps quantity.
Maybe it would be best to focus more time on non-meta topics, like sports communities, gaming communities, hobbyist communities, etc. I feel that the neverending discussions of what is going on with whatever Lemmy server or communities and what needs to be done about it become a self fulfilling prophecy. The more that people focus on it, the more they tend to disagree.
Sometimes users and mods and admins are going to have disagreements and get angry at each other. It doesn’t need to be linked all over Lemmy every time that happens. We already have plenty of options for servers, it’s best to allow instances to handle their disagreements internally/privately and we don’t need everyone else in the fediverse getting in on every bit of drama. If the admins and mods are truly that bad at their jobs, the users will speak with their actions by leaving the server and/or community.
MeanwhileOnGrad is indeed a community that has generated some drama, and our admins have had discussions about this. Our current consensus is that due to the draconian censorship on hexbear always and lemmy.ml sometimes, it’s important to have hard evidence of some of the crazy and violent things that those communities upvote and agree with. This provides an easy way for new users to see for themselves what they are getting into if they choose to interact with, or god forbid join, one of the tankie servers. Although some drama gets generated along with that, the alternative would be to leave the blatant lies and bad faith tactics unchecked, which would be a much bigger problem imo.