Why do people love Steam’s DRM on everything, online only gameplay? Why do people love Steams totalitarian control and extortion deals?
If people could built their own Steam client, it wouldn’t be so bad. I use Heroic on Windows for both Epic and GOG and get new games through Heroic so there can’t be telemetry or data gathering. Why won’t Valve allow a libre/free software Steam client to play games and let go of what people choose to install on their computer. I’m nit asking for DRM-free games, I’m asking ti stop dictator how I am allowed to play games.
Because Steam’s DRM is entirely unobtrusive, it doesn’t require online-only gameplay and the customer experience is excellent.
When Epic tries to compete with Steam they don’t look to make a better user experience, instead they bribe developers for exclusivity deals to force people on their platform if they want to play a game on release.
You are stating stricty your own opinion when you say “customer experience is excellent”. Read the documents of the legal case against Valve, the documents show Valve to be an extortionist.
I left steam. Only interested in offline installers from GOG… When WWIII hits and players are still reliant on Steam’s Online DRM Leased versions of your games, like come on already!.. No Internet,no games… I’m burning all these games onto M-Disc media… I can sell games for bullets and food in the apocalypse!! Woo!
Valve made it super convinient for their customers and they also took steps to encourage content creation with SFM, Source Engine, sharing their own assets. They created working cloud saving and mod sharing solutions, greenlighting a bunch of indies based on votes and being on the side of the customer in disputes over refunds with 2hr rule becomingthe new norm. For years, they provided and improved their service, so it’s rare to see anyone complaining about that.
Ah, and Epic killed UT4 in beta when they found their initial zombie game mode that became Fortnite gave them that much cash they could start their own marketplace with regular giveaways and exclusives going on for years. I’m fucking pissed at them for that even now. It is irrational and personal, but Valve didn’t kill my favorite game series, it’s the opposite, since they kept slowly releasing and constantly updating Dota, CS, create Alyx, keep TF2 alive, and I’m only sad Alien Swarm would never see new content. In game studios and game marketplaces, Valve are golden.
But coming back to your initial displeasment with them, the funny thing is a lot of Steam games don’t need Steam to launch. Unless devs implement some hooks and DRMs themselves, you can just launch their EXE file. Nobody really checks that, but that’s the truth, and I’ve seen some lists of games that don’t do that. On top of that, 99% offline games can be launched without internet with Steam only, you can even backup and then install some game on your PC offline if your client knows you own it. And don’t forget family sharing - although they promised to rework it, I, my partner and our friends used it a lot, and although you can’t use a game from a shared library when you are offline, if the owner plays it offline you can play it too at the same time without messing with each others’ gameplay. This lazy implementation of DRM with many workarounds and general respect to even the sleakiest, cheating customer is why I still buy games there.
Valve has not been on the side of the customer when I’ve tried to return games. I’ve had multiple instances now of them refusing returns. I’ve been using Steam from the beginning and only started trying to return games within the past few years, but out of the handful I’ve tried to return at least half have been rejected. The last game was only $5 and was literally broken and unplayable, I had 2 minutes of playtime total and they still rejected the return. I had been really happy with Valve and Steam until this started happening. It’s weird because my partner returns games with no problem. Even the same game that we tried together and discovered it has feral children screaming into microphones and then returned it, mine got rejected.
I was like that until a few years ago when I bought a broken and unplayable game that had been abandoned by the dev. I spend a lot of money on Steam and have a huge library at this point so its not like I’m trying to abuse the system. I think I’ve tried to return 5 or 6 games total with 2 or 3 rejected since they implemented the return policy.
Skipping over the game debate, wbere did this “my partnet” fad trend get started, instead of good married people talking about husband or wife, or single people talking about boyfriend or girlfriend? It’s because linguistically it’s not a natural or normal way of speaking, the phrasing sounds like it’s from indocrination, saying “my partner”, unless it.s part of a firm.
The main reason for me is the implication of a certain legal status when you say husband/wife/spouse and that of a short term relationship when you say [boy/girl]friend. The only word I know of that says long term relationship but without the legal status is “partner” or “significant other”.
For something long term like a “partner” of 5 years, is a joke of a relationship because there if there is no interest in marriage and a wedding after 5 years, it proves that at least one of the people is only wanting a good time for awhile and wants the freedom to dump the other person any day they feel like with no consequences or repercussions and move on to someone else any day they feel like it to be free and clear to cut out the other person from their life.
There are a lot of reasons for this, and it’s been normal in some places for a very long time. If it’s new to you, it’s probably just a regional difference that you haven’t heard it more. The way you worded your question makes me feel like you are trying to start a fight, so I think I’ll push down my instinct to link you to resources.
its the best platform I use to organize my games that only gets better and doesn’t actively try to screw me with bullshit at every turn. once someone outdoes steam, I’ll reward that company with my money.
There is a weird cult around steam, they literally can’t do wrong, and even if they do, well it was deserved. Dunno how that happened but it really does hurt me when games on gog aren’t updated for months for no reason but steam.
you’re just going to interpret this is as proving you right and me as a cultist but the thing about no updates on gog is nothing to do with steam that’s the publisher steam doesn’t make them do that there’s no reason it’s the publisher/developers I don’t think valve can do no wrong but I would say steams never done anything bad to me valve includes gambling in all their multiplayer games that are full of children they were one of the earliest companies to make loot boxes their business model though arguably even worse as they gave all the tools for an external economy for those skins and gave the crates out abundantly to encourage you to buy the keys because you already have the crate but the steam division in valve has provided me with a consistently great experience in every way games on there own launcher almost always just work on linux refunds are trivial family sharing is great for making it even cheaper I don’t like drm and I’d use gog more if they didn’t kinda suck from a user perspective but even with heroic playing games on gog is a little jank on linux in a way it just isn’t with steam and gog has literally no family sharing I don’t play games from the shared library much but I like having it when I do and my siblings actually do play some games from my library a fair bit steam/valve is a company like any others that ultimately cares about profit not me or any other customer but unlike other companies they understand the value of long term thinking and good customer relationships they don’t care about me but they know I’m more likely to keep coming back and buying loads of games if they don’t keep trying to screw me over and add lots of good features that save me money and make my experience better
There were a few games that explained slow updates with “just download them on steam” when asked, ofc it’s not on steam that publishers are lazy. Publishers are lazy because steam has such an overwhelming majority that they can ignore customers on other platforms. I do prefer gog because they are drm free and offline, so in the inevitable crash of global internet i will have my oldie games, lol.
that’s still the publisher not steam and honestly a bit gog that they let them get away with that you can’t blame steam and customers largely using the better platform for awful publishers scamming people on a different platform
Its because the industry is full of companies that are so much worse than Valve. Gamers are used to companies like EA, Valve are saints in comparison to the other major players.
Why do people love Steam’s DRM on everything, online only gameplay? Why do people love Steams totalitarian control and extortion deals?
If people could built their own Steam client, it wouldn’t be so bad. I use Heroic on Windows for both Epic and GOG and get new games through Heroic so there can’t be telemetry or data gathering. Why won’t Valve allow a libre/free software Steam client to play games and let go of what people choose to install on their computer. I’m nit asking for DRM-free games, I’m asking ti stop dictator how I am allowed to play games.
Because Steam’s DRM is entirely unobtrusive, it doesn’t require online-only gameplay and the customer experience is excellent.
When Epic tries to compete with Steam they don’t look to make a better user experience, instead they bribe developers for exclusivity deals to force people on their platform if they want to play a game on release.
You are stating stricty your own opinion when you say “customer experience is excellent”. Read the documents of the legal case against Valve, the documents show Valve to be an extortionist.
I left steam. Only interested in offline installers from GOG… When WWIII hits and players are still reliant on Steam’s Online DRM Leased versions of your games, like come on already!.. No Internet,no games… I’m burning all these games onto M-Disc media… I can sell games for bullets and food in the apocalypse!! Woo!
Valve made it super convinient for their customers and they also took steps to encourage content creation with SFM, Source Engine, sharing their own assets. They created working cloud saving and mod sharing solutions, greenlighting a bunch of indies based on votes and being on the side of the customer in disputes over refunds with 2hr rule becomingthe new norm. For years, they provided and improved their service, so it’s rare to see anyone complaining about that.
Ah, and Epic killed UT4 in beta when they found their initial zombie game mode that became Fortnite gave them that much cash they could start their own marketplace with regular giveaways and exclusives going on for years. I’m fucking pissed at them for that even now. It is irrational and personal, but Valve didn’t kill my favorite game series, it’s the opposite, since they kept slowly releasing and constantly updating Dota, CS, create Alyx, keep TF2 alive, and I’m only sad Alien Swarm would never see new content. In game studios and game marketplaces, Valve are golden.
But coming back to your initial displeasment with them, the funny thing is a lot of Steam games don’t need Steam to launch. Unless devs implement some hooks and DRMs themselves, you can just launch their EXE file. Nobody really checks that, but that’s the truth, and I’ve seen some lists of games that don’t do that. On top of that, 99% offline games can be launched without internet with Steam only, you can even backup and then install some game on your PC offline if your client knows you own it. And don’t forget family sharing - although they promised to rework it, I, my partner and our friends used it a lot, and although you can’t use a game from a shared library when you are offline, if the owner plays it offline you can play it too at the same time without messing with each others’ gameplay. This lazy implementation of DRM with many workarounds and general respect to even the sleakiest, cheating customer is why I still buy games there.
Valve has not been on the side of the customer when I’ve tried to return games. I’ve had multiple instances now of them refusing returns. I’ve been using Steam from the beginning and only started trying to return games within the past few years, but out of the handful I’ve tried to return at least half have been rejected. The last game was only $5 and was literally broken and unplayable, I had 2 minutes of playtime total and they still rejected the return. I had been really happy with Valve and Steam until this started happening. It’s weird because my partner returns games with no problem. Even the same game that we tried together and discovered it has feral children screaming into microphones and then returned it, mine got rejected.
I’m sprry for your exeprience with Steam.
My own buying and playing routine doesn’t even get to the point that I return games, multiple ones at that.
Sadly, I can’t relate and can’t understand your pov.
I was like that until a few years ago when I bought a broken and unplayable game that had been abandoned by the dev. I spend a lot of money on Steam and have a huge library at this point so its not like I’m trying to abuse the system. I think I’ve tried to return 5 or 6 games total with 2 or 3 rejected since they implemented the return policy.
Skipping over the game debate, wbere did this “my partnet” fad trend get started, instead of good married people talking about husband or wife, or single people talking about boyfriend or girlfriend? It’s because linguistically it’s not a natural or normal way of speaking, the phrasing sounds like it’s from indocrination, saying “my partner”, unless it.s part of a firm.
The main reason for me is the implication of a certain legal status when you say husband/wife/spouse and that of a short term relationship when you say [boy/girl]friend. The only word I know of that says long term relationship but without the legal status is “partner” or “significant other”.
For something long term like a “partner” of 5 years, is a joke of a relationship because there if there is no interest in marriage and a wedding after 5 years, it proves that at least one of the people is only wanting a good time for awhile and wants the freedom to dump the other person any day they feel like with no consequences or repercussions and move on to someone else any day they feel like it to be free and clear to cut out the other person from their life.
I’m Canadian. Marriage doesn’t have the same meaning here.
There are a lot of reasons for this, and it’s been normal in some places for a very long time. If it’s new to you, it’s probably just a regional difference that you haven’t heard it more. The way you worded your question makes me feel like you are trying to start a fight, so I think I’ll push down my instinct to link you to resources.
I don’t want to specify that, what’s your problem?
its the best platform I use to organize my games that only gets better and doesn’t actively try to screw me with bullshit at every turn. once someone outdoes steam, I’ll reward that company with my money.
I do not buy games on Steam, only on 3rd party sites for a Steam key so Valve never gets money from me.
sweeney is that you?
There is a weird cult around steam, they literally can’t do wrong, and even if they do, well it was deserved. Dunno how that happened but it really does hurt me when games on gog aren’t updated for months for no reason but steam.
you’re just going to interpret this is as proving you right and me as a cultist but the thing about no updates on gog is nothing to do with steam that’s the publisher steam doesn’t make them do that there’s no reason it’s the publisher/developers I don’t think valve can do no wrong but I would say steams never done anything bad to me valve includes gambling in all their multiplayer games that are full of children they were one of the earliest companies to make loot boxes their business model though arguably even worse as they gave all the tools for an external economy for those skins and gave the crates out abundantly to encourage you to buy the keys because you already have the crate but the steam division in valve has provided me with a consistently great experience in every way games on there own launcher almost always just work on linux refunds are trivial family sharing is great for making it even cheaper I don’t like drm and I’d use gog more if they didn’t kinda suck from a user perspective but even with heroic playing games on gog is a little jank on linux in a way it just isn’t with steam and gog has literally no family sharing I don’t play games from the shared library much but I like having it when I do and my siblings actually do play some games from my library a fair bit steam/valve is a company like any others that ultimately cares about profit not me or any other customer but unlike other companies they understand the value of long term thinking and good customer relationships they don’t care about me but they know I’m more likely to keep coming back and buying loads of games if they don’t keep trying to screw me over and add lots of good features that save me money and make my experience better
There were a few games that explained slow updates with “just download them on steam” when asked, ofc it’s not on steam that publishers are lazy. Publishers are lazy because steam has such an overwhelming majority that they can ignore customers on other platforms. I do prefer gog because they are drm free and offline, so in the inevitable crash of global internet i will have my oldie games, lol.
that’s still the publisher not steam and honestly a bit gog that they let them get away with that you can’t blame steam and customers largely using the better platform for awful publishers scamming people on a different platform
A blind fanatical devotion to Steam/Valve.
As a sound, allow people to develop a libre/open source client to play games from that client, there would be a different perception.
Its because the industry is full of companies that are so much worse than Valve. Gamers are used to companies like EA, Valve are saints in comparison to the other major players.