I’ve come to two realizations recently:

One

The sudden tankie willingness to believe that Trump cares about a cease-fire in Gaza, and got tough with the Israelis and then they capitulated which Biden could have done at any time, sheds some interesting light on how the tankies think. They accuse anyone who disagrees with them of shifting their realities around, such that anything Biden does is good, anything the State Department says is always true, even if it contradicts itself or basic common sense or reality. I always thought that this was just a lazy reality-free arguing tactic, but in retrospect, I should have realized that it’s a tell about their own thought process. Just like it’s a warning sign if someone constantly suspects their partner of cheating, or is constantly on an absurdly hypervigilant lookout for scams and people trying to cheat them out of money, this is a key revelation about the way Hexbear itself looks at reality.

Trump is a capable diplomat, if believing that lets them trash Biden. Trump cares about Palestinians, if believing that lets them trash Biden. The cart is firmly in its place in front, and everything else including the horse can follow along depending on what the cart dictates.

Two

Hexbear’s censorship, and wild hostility to anyone who comes to “their” place and tries not to toe the party line, really does do a pretty effective job of distorting the view of reality and consensus that their users are able to experience.

Take a look at these and compare:

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/36382877

https://hexbear.net/post/4354590

  • Glent@lemmy.ca
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    19 hours ago

    Tankies are the alt-right fabricating an alt-left. Tankies are a deliberate disinfo campaign most likely out of st petersburg. Remember the russian troll farms? See how easily they penetrated the right wing in america? The left are free thinkers and are a harder nut to crack. Their best shot at this is to cosplay far left and push liberals further left. Tough to foment a civil war when only one side is fighting. TLDR; Hexbear is most likely 90% mother russia phoning home.

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      18 hours ago

      The left are free thinkers

      Idk, there are a lot of leftist echo chambers. Please avoid anything close to the “we’re right and everyone else is wrong” argument.

      But yes, agree with much of the rest. I also think there are a lot of trolls from China in the mix as well.

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      17 hours ago

      You make it sound as if the “left” in the US is as left as it should be and pushing it further is a bad thing. The “left” in the US are full on capitalism appreciators, even under the Obama admin which liberals look upon fondly large mergers and consolidation of power were allowed to happen. This country is lost if we act like one side is doing its job (doing things in the interest of the populace and not corporations).

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        11 hours ago

        In the United States being on ‘the left’ is arbitrarily just being ‘left of far-right’.

        The ‘Radical Far Left’ is anything that isn’t devoted to capitalism. This isn’t a Republican talking point but the central prerequisite to American politics that thinks Bernie Sanders would’ve had executions in central park.

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        15 hours ago

        I agree with everything you said. I just think hexbear is a psy-op

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        16 hours ago

        Joe Liberman blocked single player from the start, this fun fact really hurt DNC Komissars and their online shills

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      19 hours ago

      That’s certainly part of it, is my guess. But it can’t be all of it, just a whole community of Russian trolls talking to each other. How many useful idiots are there?

      And Dessalines likes Hexbear. Presumably he’s not a Russian troll. How many others are there, and how did they come to their decisions? I believed a bunch of dumb stuff when I was young. How much of it is that?

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      10 hours ago

      This is false. They’re not alt-right or agents out of russia.

      Horseshoe theory is just always correct

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        6 hours ago

        Saying shit no one has ever heard of like “horseshoe theory” and trying to make the regular people who never heard of it out to be stupid or abnormal is exactly what outs you as a Russian bot.

        Check this guy’s post history. It’s pretty clear which team he plays for.