https://sh.itjust.works/post/31716642
Edit: There used to be a screenshot here. I messed up the link in an edit and don’t have a local copy saved.
My comment was roughly 'It already looks like it might be better than things now, at least Biden never advocated for full displacement of all Palestine."
I had already seen half the comment section of the post with ban marks. This single comment copped me a fully-expected permaban. Unfortunately my comment doesn’t show up in modlogs so I had to retype it more or less from memory.
The bloodshed:
Screenshot edited as per mod request.
Most of the banned comments are actually still visible. If you browse the thread you’ll notice there’s nothing particularly inflammatory or banworthy about any of them.
Best part, in the middle of all that banning, our buddy found the time to mod the one guy in that post who supported his opinions. Welp, another echo chamber in the making.
Follow up:
The mod posted in a similar post in this comm. FWIW, while I stand by my actions and opinion, I did msg them to offer them a personal apology.
Yeah, that is absolutely a concern. You raise an excellent point. I’m just saying that you have to give the benefit of the doubt.
I actually want to show you an example of me arguing with someone that’s a good example of that situation. She’s criticizing Biden for reasons I think are kind of nuts, and brings up that she’s queer, and then when she gets emotional about her argument it makes it hard for me to disagree because through some alchemy I’m going to look prejudiced if I try to tell her how wrong she is.
Is it possible she’s an anti-Biden troll who’s hiding behind a queer identity? Sure. But you have to give the benefit of the doubt and assume she’s legit. That doesn’t mean you can’t disagree with her, you just have to do it within some parameters. I’m just saying that someone who’s claiming to be representing Palestine, you have to give some massive, massive leeway. You can disagree factually while still respecting where they’re coming from, or claiming to be coming from. Is it fair that it gives an advantage to the propaganda accounts? Not really. But that’s the nature of the beast.
I am often accused of defaulting to accusations of someone being a Russian bot or something the instant they criticize Biden, but I do not at all, and I definitely don’t recommend doing that. I’ll make the accusation maybe once every 1-2 months if someone’s being so laughably obvious that I think it’s way beyond a reasonable doubt. Maybe I shouldn’t even do that, just as a blanket rule. I have more to say on that, but I want to think it over more. But anyway, at a minimum in almost all cases, I think taking people to be who they claim to be is the way you have to do it. And definitely more so when sensitive subjects are involved.
So, I actually can’t link you to the example, for some ironic reasons, so I’ll cut and paste. Leaving aside the part where I fucked it up and got overly person with her, which I definitely don’t think I should have done, this is the good part of what I said, when this vulnerable person (according to her self report) was all upset about how the Democrats fucked up their policies and messaging and so lost the election and so now she’s in danger under Trump:
So I get to make the point, and it works whether she’s legit about who she claims to be, or not. If I just came in and made fun of her for being in danger now, that’s fucked up. I did that a little bit, after, mostly borne out of genuine anger and bitterness because now I know some people who are definitely in real physical danger because of Trump, and so if she helped that happen, it’s pretty fucking hard for me to stay even keeled about it. But the point is, I think engaging with people on the merits is almost always right, even if the result is sometimes unfair.
Thanks, you make some good points. There’s certainly room for improvement. In this case I wasn’t making fun of anybody, but I agree I could have sugar coated it a bit more.
Yeah, agreed. It’s a hard thing to do without seeming like you’re kicking someone who’s in danger when they’re down. Ask me how I know.
Story time? What’s your experience on the other side?
Oh, no, I was just saying that it still stung me a bit feeling like, with the poster I was talking about, I had been mean to her afterwards while trying to make a point, in a way that was un called for.