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    13 hours ago

    If there ever was a time to criticize the democrats, it is 3 months AFTER an election.

    If there ever was a time to not to criticize the democrats, it is 3 months BEFORE an election.

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      If there was ever a time for the DNC to listen to voters, it was at any point in time.

      Do not hold back on them, hold them accountable and demand better. “We will apply pressure but back off when it’s actually meaningful” is a terrible strategy.

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    The Democrats are over. If we ever even get the chance to vote again, a new progressive, actually left party must rise in its place

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        Progressives won in states where Harris lost, so objectively, yes. We don’t need Republicans and Diet Republicans. We need two noticeably different parties.

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          The voters that elected Trump hate progressives. Those are the the libs they want to “own.” The only way becoming more progressive would help is if millions of people that didn’t vote in the 2024 election vote for the progressive candidate.

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            Considering there were about 90 million (archived) who didn’t vote in 2024, that seems totally possible. Harris only lost by about 2-3 million, so we’re talking 5% of this group needing to be the sort of “both parties are too right wing, there’s no point in voting” types who could be brought into our fold.

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              Reports are now showing over 4 million valid votes were rejected and purged by various voter suppression tactics taken between 2020 and 2024. Seems there might turn out to actually be something to the stolen election theory

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        Democrats aren’t left at all, they are effectively center-right.

        look at sinema and manchin, they led the biden administration.

        Its a big tent, and its drafty in here.

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          Ok so just for a moment let’s pretend you are now democratic God/king/ emperor.

          You get to build the new party of the left. What policies are you going to run on to garner support from the majority of Americans? I am genuinely curious what you imagine this ideal left wing party to look like.

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            You get healthcare, you get healthcare, everyone gets free healthcare.

            The rent is too damn high, we’re going to put crippling taxes for owning empty housing

            We’re going to tax corporations and close loopholes, and get rid of all income taxes for all

            Clear messaging with easy, simple solutions. Ram them through.

            They’ll cause side effects, but who cares? The cost of rent will plummet, Americans will have more money in their pockets, and they’ll get on board with more nuanced things. People will worry about their retirements or “the economy” at first, but they’ll get on board when these simple promises are fulfilled and they feel it

            Then we work on unions, tax breaks and sweetheart loans for worker owned businesses, breaking up corporations, an actual green new deal, fixing elections, etc. All the nitty gritty most voters don’t want to take the time to understand

            And we’ll just keep hitting it. They say “Our economy is ruined, these people are destroying this country”. We don’t bring up facts and figures, just keep slamming soundbytes “is your rent cheaper? Is your paycheck bigger? These people want to tax you so they can pay off the 1%”

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              See now this is a much better answer. I think if you ran on those stances you would be a pretty popular candidate.

              The more money we can pull out of the 1%s coffers and move into the hands of the working class the better.

              I think we should also prevent corporations from buying homes like Black Rock and others are doing.

              No more government baleouts for companies that fuck everything up. IF we have to baleout a company like GM they don’t deserve to keep operating. Government takes over control and slowly sells off assets. Yes people will lose their jobs in the short term, but someone will need to fill the void of the missing production so in theory other car companies would expand to fill the space left behind and they would need to hire employees. Probably the employees that lost their jobs because the GM executives were greedy and/or stupid.

              The working class is what keeps this country functioning. Not the top 1%. Put money in their pockets again and the economy will be stronger than ever before.

          • Raise the minimum wage, implement a single-payer universal healthcare system.

            When Sanders was on stage at Fox News being grilled by their anchors for being “too radical”, Sanders turned to the audience and asked them if these policies were really so radical.

            The Fox News audience chanted “No!” (to the surprise of the Fox anchors).

            Slashing healthcare costs and putting more money in people’s pockets are winning strategies, especially if you can call out Republicans on their bullshit messaging.

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              So the only two things your new left wing party is going to run on is higher minimum wage (no specific amounts or percentage of local cost of living or anything specific?) and single-payer universal healthcare.

              Yeah I don’t think you would get the majority of votes by making a party based around only those two things.

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                  I’m not expecting a 10 page book of exactly everything you would implement and exactly how you would do it, but only answering like 10% of a question seems odd.

                  That would be like me asking you to list all your ideal ingredients for a sandwich and you only said “bread” then decided you didn’t feel like thinking of the rest so you just hit send and walk away.

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                That’s not the same person you originally responded to.

                I agree with your sentiment, but just so you know, the person you asked the question “how will you rebuild the party” is not the person who responded to that question and you responded to.

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                  Yes I am aware. But they did answer the question so I responded to their answer to my question.

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    In a last-minute move, they shut the event off from the public and even deliberately shared the wrong address for where grassroots supporters are allowed to gather."

    Lol, we’re fucked

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    Are they really failing to realize their losing strategy at this point? I think they just don’t care. They got theirs and fuck everyone else.

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      They need to pull a long shot, honestly, given that Bernie Sanders has said he isn’t going to seek re-election, I’d say nominate him. Even if he declines it sets the right tone. People need someone who can walk the walk, and spit that talk like hot fire. You have an easy and galvanizing message to get out. America works for all Americans, because we all pay out fair share… Except for when a small group of billionaires think they have the right to buy and sell our country and our rights. This class of ultra wealthy is like a cancer that has been allowed to survive and fester for too long. It is now growing at a faster rate than healthy society can maintain and it threatens to destroy it. All Trump appointed and nominated officials will be retired from their positions for security reasons, including judges. Citizens United will be reversed. Tax rates on the top 1% will be a minimum of 50%, regardless of the type of income. Universal healthcare coverage, and creating a socioeconomic state that supports workers to the point where the educated and skilled should be able to retire comfortably at 50. This will allow for new opportunities for younger workers of all types, and keep the American dream alive.

      That would be week 1

      Several hundred people will see change in the spreadsheet that