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Summary
Progressive Democrats accused Donald Trump and Elon Musk of orchestrating a “constitutional crisis” after Musk moved to shut down USAID and gained access to a federal payment system.
Lawmakers, blocked from entering USAID’s headquarters, condemned Trump for granting Musk unchecked power over government functions.
Senator Elizabeth Warren warned that Musk’s involvement could trigger financial instability, while Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez called it a “plutocratic coup.”
Please, Progressive Democrats, try to make a new progressive party. Cut ties with the Democrats.
Bipartisan succ.
Or join together, it’s why MAGA has worked so well.
Or just run as Republicans to do a hostile takeover. Democrats already are the conservative good government party, and then progressives can create a progressive good government party for balance.
There’s like 3 of them bro
Problem is that if the DNC splits, both parties will be even weaker than they are now
Yes, because of First Past The Post voting.
Say there’s a region that’s 60% left-leaning and 40% right-leaning. If the far left splits off from the moderate left, you get 30% far left, 30% moderate left, and 40% right-leaning. The winner in a FPTP election is the party with the most votes. Even though 60% of the voters are still left-leaning, the election will go to the right-leaning party with 40% of the votes. Their 40% beats either of the parties with 30% of the vote.
Canada experienced this phenomenon in the 1993 federal election. The conservatives previously had a majority, but there was a split, and the Reform Party split from the Progressive Conservative party. There were almost as many right-leaning voters as before, but the Liberals won a huge victory. Because of the vote split, a lot of conservative ridings ended up electing a Liberal MP.
Basically, if you care about progressive politics, get rid of First Past The Post. Only once it’s gone should you consider splitting the party. Splitting the party while FPTP is in place is just handing victory to the GOP.
The Democrats don’t have to field a candidate if they’re that worried about splitting the vote.
It’s not like they try to win anyway.
The Democrats will field one on purpose to sabotage us. They don’t mind losing if it means a progressive won’t win.
If anything they’d be relieved to no longer have to play heel to the Republican party.
A valid concern.
I strongly recommend looking at what the Polish did. We can have multiple movements all trying to influence outcomes. They don’t even need their own candidates, they just have to endorse ones that party elsewhere or have a chance of being picked up by a major coalition (e.g. Sanders, AOC). Over time, that movement gains traction and notoriety, further influencing elections.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Initiative
Yeah, but that won’t last forever. Give progressive dems a chance to campaign in earnest for their platform, without the chains of establishment pro-corporate policies around their necks, and you might be surprised how quickly the 90-million non-voters come around.
Good. I’d rather know what the score is with the actual, entire, electorate than left to yet another situation where a huge number of people just stood by.
I strongly believe that the vast majority are quite far left, and stand by in abject horror at how far rightward the establishment politicians and mainstream media have dragged the Overton window. We really needed something like the Voting Rights Act from Biden admin, but much more - chase down eligible voters and make them vote, just like in Australia. Anyway, agreed with you - it would be nice to know for certain where the country actually stands on policy.
I’m not from America, so I don’t really get why you’re not all forming militias into battalions and organizating command structures and overt/covert lines of communication and national plans.
A counter coup if you will. Aka trying to find a majority based path to a bloodless civil war. Ideally a series of stand offs where fed forces have been prearranged to stand down.
Of course if that fails Trump would declare marshall law which is part of his agenda as it legitimizes the executive having more power so…
Death by 1000 grifters I guess is the alternative.
American cops are extremely right-wing, love shooting people, and are never punished for it. If you go to a demonstration, even one that’s supposed to be peaceful, you’re risking getting killed.
Any attempt to organize into militias or battalions would be seen as an uprising, and the FBI would investigate. The FBI has always been a fairly right-wing organization, and they’re now under the thumb of Trump, who regularly talks about using violence against protesters. Joining a militia or a battalion would be a good way to get killed.
The US is a really big place, and most of this is happening in Washington DC, which is pretty remote from most of the country. Washington DC is a strange place with a large, fairly poor urban black population, and a relatively wealthy white suburbs. The white suburbs make roughly 3x as much as the black population. So, while black people might be interested in protesting, they know they’d be much more likely to be hurt or killed by the police. In addition, while many care about these issues, a lot of them don’t have the time or energy to get involved because they’re focused on just getting by. For the white population in the suburbs, a lot of them have jobs connected to the government, so they may be more restricted in what they can really do than someone who just has some random office or factory job. In addition, people who work for the government are more likely to try to work through channels rather than protest in the streets.
Not sure where you’re from, but we have some problems that stand in the way of coordinating any kind of resistance. At least, not proactively.
In short: we have no living memory of domestic war, famine, epidemic, or wholesale financial hardship lasting longer than a few years. We’ve had tastes of those things, but they always effect people disproportionately, usually along class lines. So being proactive by taking up arms, or preparing for economic catastrophe, is literally unthinkable for most.
Meanwhile, the usual kind of political corruption that we’re accustomed to just came to an end, and is changing shape before our very eyes. Nobody knows what to do with that, yet.
Most of us are in denial. You probably would be too if it was your way of living and life on the line. Most people aren’t mentally prepared for shit to get that kind of real…
I think we’re waiting to see if they fire like half of the FBI to work with them…