And this is why Democrats will keep losing.
People think the Democrats are losing relevance because they’re “Too woke”, and “No one cares about transpeople when there are bills to pay”
It’s really because they do shit like try to compromise with someone who wants to kill you by agreeing to let them cut off an arm.
“I don’t want any harm to me?”
Republicans: I want blood. You have it. Give your body to me to harm.
Democrats: Look he said he wants blood, have you considered they are frustrated with this economy? Maybe a figner as an olive branch will solve this. …not mine.
No. Send in Schumer again. Surely it’ll work this time.
These aren’t Democrats we’re talking about, they’re just more affluent folks trying to keep their pockets lined. Moral bankruptcy is a required trait to be a politician these days apparently
When they’re allowed to fly the democrat flag, then they are democrats and it’s right for us to judge the group based off their actions.
At this point US needs leaders who can mobilize people and spearhead protest marches in the street. AOC is perfectly positioned to call for such protest march. If she does that and become figurehead of the Dem Allies against MuskTrump axis, she might get elevated to same status as MLK and may be even Lincoln. And on that note, why Kamala is quiet ?
Kamala lost and she lost badly. She’s not going to be the figurehead
it wasn’t that badly by the numbers, it was badly by the electoral college….
incidentally trump won every and only states that passed new voter suppression laws….this election was stolen and that’s only one piece of it….
i still hate kamala, but she won.
And on that note, why Kamala is quiet ?
Kamala Harris is the new Hillary Clinton. The GOP boogeyman and now political poison after she embarrassingly lost to Donald Trump.
Kamala Harris was deeply unpopular both before and during the Biden administration, and (sorry to say it, but it’s true) she was largely picked because there was pressure for Biden to pick a minority female to “balance out” the fact that he was a white man. You know how some people, particularly (but not entirely) on the right, believe that affirmative action means that minorities end up getting positions that they otherwise probably wouldn’t have gotten because someone needs to fill a “diversity quota” or whatever? That’s how a lot of people felt about Harris – picked not because of her qualifications, but because she was a black woman.
She’s basically been the poster child for this as far as the GOP is concerned ever since. And not in a good way. Right now, with anti-DEI sentiment gaining traction in this country at a record pace and DEI initiatives becoming political battery acid, the last thing you want as the face of the movement is someone believed to be the poster child for DEI initiatives run amok.
I do not think AOC has remote same appeal or adeptness of rhetoric to ever do something like this. Would recommend listening to MLKs speeches if haven’t already. Someone like that will come eventually, but they can’t be forced into that position. Also, the situation has to call for it. If it were possible to wake up and choose to be MLK we’d have a million.
10+ brand new accounts commenting in this thread, with 2 of them less than a day old. Did Lemmy get an influx of new accounts or are these bots?
Some Reddit users. Reddit was A/B testing a zuckservative sub Reddit ban, so spooked people probably. I found my way here thru a Reddit thread.
Reddit had a “bug” that banned all NSFW and lgbtq+ subs stating that they were inactive (they were not) and ONLY those subs. So a bunch of people moved here (myself included now that most subs I follow moved here)
Probably both!
bots
The democrats are the assistance. And people seem to not be able to figure this out.
Where are all the 2a folks who are going to stop the ‘tyRAnNicAl gOvERnMenT’
They’re helping a tyrannical government seize power. Time to exercise your rights.
Not american, watching from the outside
It’s our tyrannical government, so it’s okay.
“Tyranny is only when the evil Commie Leftists tell you that its wrong to call peoppe by slurs.”
– Average 2A supporter mindset
you know 2a extends to every american, not just the ones who want to marry kids?
More like they wouldn’t know a tyrant even if one shouted “I’m a fucking tyrant”.
i have a question - where is Kamala Harris in all this ? She lost the prez race and decided to just give up on her dreams of creating a better USA? This is the perfect moment for her to step up, invite people for resistance, lead that resistance and be the leader she claimed to be.
She was a failed candidate in 2020, picked based largely on identity for VP by a presidential nominee that was really only liked as a remnant from a administration for which he was also picked largely based on identity. Towed the party line during increasing displeasure with the party heads, then failed spectacularly in an election.
Even if I believed she truly had dreams of creating a better USA, it’s best for her to not be prominent member.
It should not be on her shoulders to explain this moment. The fact that she is able to articulate our current crisis is amazing.
She’s one of the most prominent progressives in America there are few more appropriate choices.
It should not be on her shoulders to explain this moment.
I can think of no shoulders more capable.
It should not be on her shoulders only.
It should not, no. But here we are.
Unfortunately everyone else seems to be complicit.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
Both parties need to split up into new parties. However, the money flowing is incentive to prevent them from doing that. Party splits have happened before several times in US history. This time the billionaires are funding all of this chaos thanks to legislation they started passing since post Watergate. How do we get them to split? Take the money out or give them more money than the billionaires can. Both resolutions that should not require drawing blood. How do we do that? I have no idea how to fund more money than billionaires, but being somewhat of an optimist, 99% of the population can probably figure out a way once they stop this tribal mentality of red vs blue.
TBH we should probably stop regurgitating state propaganda trying to convince us that violence isn’t a valid form of protest.
Because the rich have backed themselves into a corner where the only thing that will snap them out of their delusions of world domination is to be forced by the rest of us to confront their own mortality.
Once Conservatives and “centrists” stop handing power to the worst people we could probably just start reversing this global shift to the right even just with that. Progressive candidates are all over, we’re just too collectively stupid to vote for them.
the population can probably figure out a way once they stop this tribal mentality of red vs blue
which is never going to happen. one side has to lose. buy guns.
It isn’t playing nice if you know the people you’re approving are fascists. It makes them rolling over even worse. Republicans had no issue obstructing whenever they felt needed.
I’ve tried talking to Trump voters. It’s fucking impossible because they live in an alternate universe and see a completely different reality than everybody else.
There is no way to get through them tbh. They worship rich people want to be the next wealthy billionaire no matter what the cost. They have no demands of policy net positive for their own countrymen at all.
You are a weird, see it with your eyes, or congress.
How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren’t real?
AOC is 100% correct.
She’s saying the thing the Radical Tankie Left has been saying since the Clinton Era. It’s good to hear someone in her position repeating the message one more time. But the fact that it has to come from a fringe member of a fringe caucus, rather than - say - Hakeem Jefferies or Dick Durban, is depressing.
We’re so far away from a McConnell style “We’re going to make Obama a one-term President” moment. Liberals simply cannot understand politics as conflict. Its always just make’n deals for your district’s rich friends and stuffing your own pockets along the way.
Liberals ✊✊✊💦💦💦
Updoots to the left
She suggested the full dem party to stop focusing on pronouns and idpol way back when Biden was still on ballots.
She took her pronouns out of her bio which is 100% correct, no one cares about that shit
“We’re literally losing our democracy!!!”
votes for it to continue for the 200th time in a row
“How could this happen?!”
helps them do it again
Sounds very democratic of them
A vote for the democrats is a vote for Trump.
Uhhhh
I’m pretty sure they’re being sarcastic.
Right?
Right?
Fuck the democrats. Let’s take BERNIE and AOC, and replace the rest in the next election.
That’s part of what the republican partys done that’s made them so successful. If your representatives don’t represent you, primary them.
Shit, Democrats don’t even give us a chance to primary, they just pick whoever they want.
In NJ, they had what was referred to as the county line, which would basically put the Democratic party’s candidate first on a ballot. It was abolished this year, but the idea was that the positioning on the ballot made it easier for people to just vote down the line, but the result was that you didn’t necessarily have a fair vote.
They’re not even good enough. Both of them are turncoats. Bernie “the word genocide makes me quesy” Sanders is voting in Trump’s nominees. AOC endorsed Kamala and reinforced the “working tirelessly for a ceasefire” bullshit, every two minutes she’s folded on something new.
You know what, I’d take “not good enough” over “actively dismantling our democracy”, but fuck me I guess
Great, so we’re already “lesser of two evils”-ing our hypothetical new party designed to replace the Democrats. Just great.
Here’s an idea. If we’re replacing the Democratic Party, let’s ONLY include people who aren’t traitors. Can we find five or ten people like that amongst the American population of 330 million people?
Nah, I’m just saying you’re being too picky. Right now, I don’t really think there’s anything wrong with rallying around a message of “Not Trump, Not Fascism”. You know, considering those are the things that are currently dismantling our democracy.
Calling people turncoats when they should be considered allies does nothing to fight the real, current threat in office. All this infighting just sets us back and puts us further down the road to fascism. This quest for the perfect liberal party is a waste of effort because it’s so pie-in-the-sky and borderline impossible to actually achieve in any meaningful length of time.
It sucks, but that’s reality. Our democracy is fucked, and trying to find even more idealist liberals to replace the likes of Bernie and AOC isn’t gonna fix it.
I could not have been more clear - I completely reject the idea that we should be preemptively compromising our morals in a hypothetical new party designed to replace the morally compromised Democratic party. This is literally INSANE. Like, can we as a society even brush our teeth without compromising with the perpetrators of genocide and global empire? You’re already PLANNING a moral compromise for a political party that doesn’t even EXIST yet?
K good luck making any progress or solving any problems whatsoever then*. One day you might realize that the real world is shitty and messy and requires compromise.
The moral compromises we’re talking about are literally giving up on solving problems preemptively. You’re talking about making plans for the future, designing new things from scratch, you have every tool in the world at your disposal, a blank canvas, and you take a huge paintbrush and dip it into a whole house-sized can of black paint and just start smearing it everywhere.
AOC endorsed Kamala
Right, I’m sure the current situation is better than endorsing Kamala…
Okay but she endorsed Kamala, and we are still in the current situation?
I disagree with dx1, and think they are worth keeping around, but the criticism that they fell right in line with a genocidal regime, and refused to stand for their principles is fully true.
So between the two options available to her: try to get Kamala elected or increase the likelihood of Trump being elected, which do you think was the better option to pursue?
I mean I disagree, but I am curious. Who then?
AOC and others who are prepared to fight this bullshit need to spin off their own political party. I figure it would only take the departures of a handful of high-profile progressives to make the whole house of cards fall. The country is being pillaged, and the Dems’ response has been completely fucking impotent. Time to build a new party that isn’t run by geriatric milquetoasts.
spin off their own political party
I think the idea behind organizations like the Democratic Socialists of America and the Working Families Party is to have party-like organizations that work within the Democratic party so they don’t act as “spoilers” given the 2-party system. (I could be wrong about that tho…)
This is how they lose.
If you had a party actually for the people, you would get a lot of the Trump votes as well. Most of MAGA weren’t about racist bullshit or half of what’s happened since the changeover.
They are tired of the corporate and government corruption and Trump promised (lied) to do something about that. We need to offer the same hope without all the hate. We need to offer change without just saying the other side is evil. It isn’t the ‘other side’ that is the problem. It’s the corrupt people in positions of power and the ones that tell you to blame the ‘other side’.
Who the fuck cares about spoiling a vote between mask off and mask on fascist. The democrats are lost we need real leadership.
That they were so ineffective and unable to mount a campaign against an obvious felonious, grifting, lying rapist is all the proof I need that they’re incapable of leading.
We need to stop pretending their failures began in the campaign. It’s not just that they failed in a monumental election, it’s that they’ve failed to secure courts, failed to build a counter part to the heritage foundation, failed to jail the politicians that attempted a coup when they had power. They are simply not equip to fight the rise of fascism, the same as the liberals of Germany.
We need to take it over like those wackadoos toom over the republican party
Exactly. Getting rid of all the shitty Democrats is a tall order, but the Tea Partiers didn’t do that, they just took as many of them down as possible and scared the rest into obedience.
Tea party has a lot of money and nothing else to do but play intrigues for decades.
You cannot adapt this strategy for the masses of people who still need to feed their families.
Not decades. They started in 2010. Trump was elected in 2016.
Fox News and other Murdoch media, Koch brothers… The people behind it have been working on these things since much longer.
I don’t see how “having to feed their family” plays into this at all. Tea Partiers didn’t apply mass numbers at their stunts, just kept showing up. Angry Democrats are not so pressed for time that we can’t muster a few hundred to protest and make a spectacle any time a Democratic politician goes back on a promise.
I also do not find the “money rules everything” fatalism particularly useful. The Democrats keep losing races despite raising more money, and people like AOC still beat entrenched donor-focused politicians.
I am not saying not to do something, i am saying to use the right strategies for what you have.
The Dems dont give a fuck about demonstrations at their places. Neither do the Reps. They give a fuck only about money, or being pressured into doing something.
So you will have to show up with many people and block their events. You will need to organize general strikes. You will need to be armed and fight back if you are attacked.
These things you can do with many people. Pulling strings in intrigue games is not something you can do without money and networks. That is why politics have been built to cater to the people who can, rather than the people who rally on the streets.
It’s too late for that.
No it isn’t and talking that way is not helpful. Although, if you’re ready to give up before experiencing any actual consequences of all this then you weren’t going to be much help anyway.
Remind me after trumps third term.
And people say .ee has the worst responses
