I don’t agree with CRT (that legal and social systems help white people only), or that DEI addresses the core issues with bad luck creating uneven conditions for individuals. The core issue is that people of all races and cultures experience bad luck
I’m just reporting what you write :) you should own up what you say. I’m simply giving other users a full picture
Edit: I am very sorry, recent political atmosphere has me on a knife edge - and I can be mean. Please accept my apology, I’m sorry if I made your day worse.
The whole DEI stuff seems a bit like a Trojan horse to sneak in Marxist propaganda. Forcing people to accept immigrants with different cultural pov in a democracy is dangerous because you can end up relinquishing your country to another country’s agenda.
Misinformation and disinformation does exactly that right? It uses ideological lines to create polarization.
So, let’s say a democratic country favors pro-choice policies, but then has an influx of immigrants who are anti-abortion, and now that population is greater. That’s a change of values because the population shifted to a majority opinion which favors a different view point.
If a country has an idealized view of how it wants to be, then I think it’s fair to expect immigrants to integrate and assimilate. I don’t think that has anything to do with xenophobia or excluding different cultures, as long as the core values of a country are maintained. For example, if a country wants to maintain a democratic socialist society, and a greater population of capitalists immigrate to it, then I think that socialist society would want to restrict immigration as well.
None of that is bigoted, it’s just pointing out how democracies are fragile.
I’m not attempting to bad mouth you, I mean what I say, if someone thinks someone is spouting bullshit - they should be allowed to call them out.
However, and this is where my problem is, no one seems to be reading what you’re actually writing. It seems like you’re being brigaded, which is wrong. The downvote button is not an “I dislike this” button, it is an “I don’t think this contributed to the discussion” button.
The only people who are not bothered by being called a racist or bigot are actually those things. If I had to guess these people know I am not those things, but they just don’t like what I’ve said. My guess is that it’s probably .ml alt accounts.
Being against CRT doesn’t mean you’re against anti-discrimination, or giving people better outcomes. Being against DEI doesn’t mean you’re against diversity, equity or inclusion by themselves as concepts. The academics who framed CRT/DEI were some of the most anti-U.S. Marxists, and so I don’t trust their intentions.
Listen, I am not racist, homophobic or transphobic or anything which looks down on others. If the US ever came to a civil war, I know what side I am fighting on.
Listen, I am not racist, homophobic or transphobic or anything which looks down on others. If the US ever came to a civil war, I know what side I am fighting on.
The whole DEI stuff seems a bit like a Trojan horse to sneak in Marxist propaganda. Forcing people to accept immigrants with different cultural pov in a democracy is dangerous because you can end up relinquishing your country to another country’s agenda
I think we can all see what side you’ll be fighting with
Nothing I wrote is bigoted, it’s just questioning why people should accept some policies when there are people who literally perform ideological warfare against other countries.
Everything you wrote is bigoted. You are simply another rightwing bigoted racist who doesn’t “agree” with CRT (as if an an academic field needed your bigoted approval to exist).
You’re using these labels against me because you want to bully me into being quiet. Because unless someone expresses the same fanatical and extremist beliefs then they’re a bigot. You’re a bigot.
If anti-racists and inclusive folks want to build a better future for minorities, they have to think outside of the CRT/DEI box because the system now is not unfavorable to minorities, only the poor.
Imagine thinking you are not racist while saying that the system is not unfavorable to minorities.
CRT is the analysis of racism within systems of power. Being anti-discrimination and anti-crt are wholly contradictory, because racism is about power. It’s like being anti-cancer and anti-radiation therapy.
I think the problem people have with CRT is framing it to say only white people are favored by those systems. I don’t think the evidence supports that only white people are favored by the system on average, it seems only rich people are favored by these systems on average.
Racism is an intersection of power structures, historical injustice, and poverty. Truth be told, that’s the recipe for all systemic injustice. The US was built for white men; the native Americans were being genocided, women were domestic slaves, and black people were chattel. Because the US reneged on reparations for ex-slaves after the civil war, a vast majority of black Americans entered the society in abject poverty. Because women, slaves, and native Americans had to be totally disenfranchised to be subjugated, laws were made to ensure disenfranchisement was long lasting. The rest of society continued to build up around these discriminatory laws, which could inflict more harm onto the group. A lot of these laws were even color blind; red zoning was on the basis of poverty.
But remember how I said former slaves were in abject poverty? Well, generational wealth plays a part here too. Wealth from family is far more important than we want to admit in this country. Some black people were able to become moderately wealthy, but that’s not everyone or even most people. Most remained in poverty after 1 generation from slavery. When red zoning excluded poverty-stricken areas, they excluded most black people.
But that’s not the end of the story. Now, we’ve understood how red zoning is harmful and repealed those laws. But segregated neighborhoods are even more segregated than before! Why? Well the racist history of enforced poverty makes it hard to build local wealth in those areas, our government has made it exceedingly hard to escape poverty, and poverty is worsening due to wealth accumulation by billionaires.
I agree with all of that, I’ve said similar things myself. I think the problem is that globalism changed the equation, and that’s why you now have Indian Americans who are a core part of Trump’s admin.
If anti-racial people keep saying that the system is rigged against minorities, then rich minorities are always going to be used as counterexamples. Because that’s the reality now, the power structures favor the wealthy, regardless of race, gender, or any other characteristic.
People trying to protect DEI and CRT will just come across as out of touch with reality, and appear as wanting favoritism, especially as the population of poor whites is also growing. If democrats want to win more elections, they should put forth policies that are in the Nordic model so that they help everyone. If anti-racists and inclusive folks want to build a better future for minorities, they have to think outside of the CRT/DEI box because the system now is not unfavorable to minorities, only the poor.
I’m at a loss for words. I just gave you a literal example of CRT that you agree with, but you’re still going on about how it isn’t relevant and “backwards”. The laws have to dismantle the biases built into the system before we can safely remove DEI programs without risk of unfair exclusion. I also want a world where those programs are no longer necessary. We have to build it first.
Maybe you’re right, and it’s too bad they did away with DEI before we got get any stats on its usefulness for the overall population. I remember that corporates starting removing DEI way before Trump started talking about it because they didn’t find that it did anything which contributed to their growth or leadership.
Edit this article shows why some people think removing DEI is racist. It’s true that anti-DEI is often favored by racist people as well.
Isn’t this you as well?
I’m just reporting what you write :) you should own up what you say. I’m simply giving other users a full picture
Would you point out what fetish someone is interested in a comic sub?
No, because some subs don’t give a fuck and some topics are irrelevant in another topic.
Fuck off with following people around and keep your drama to yourself.
Let people call each other out on their bullshit.
Edit: I am very sorry, recent political atmosphere has me on a knife edge - and I can be mean. Please accept my apology, I’m sorry if I made your day worse.
I think the goal here is to bully me away from posting. But I won’t. You’re the ones who are bigoted.
I already wrote my goal. To give people a better picture of OP’s views. You should read more carefully the replies you get lol
LMAO
“I’m not racist, you’re racist”
This is still you, yes?
Misinformation and disinformation does exactly that right? It uses ideological lines to create polarization.
So, let’s say a democratic country favors pro-choice policies, but then has an influx of immigrants who are anti-abortion, and now that population is greater. That’s a change of values because the population shifted to a majority opinion which favors a different view point.
If a country has an idealized view of how it wants to be, then I think it’s fair to expect immigrants to integrate and assimilate. I don’t think that has anything to do with xenophobia or excluding different cultures, as long as the core values of a country are maintained. For example, if a country wants to maintain a democratic socialist society, and a greater population of capitalists immigrate to it, then I think that socialist society would want to restrict immigration as well.
None of that is bigoted, it’s just pointing out how democracies are fragile.
I’m not attempting to bad mouth you, I mean what I say, if someone thinks someone is spouting bullshit - they should be allowed to call them out.
However, and this is where my problem is, no one seems to be reading what you’re actually writing. It seems like you’re being brigaded, which is wrong. The downvote button is not an “I dislike this” button, it is an “I don’t think this contributed to the discussion” button.
The only people who are not bothered by being called a racist or bigot are actually those things. If I had to guess these people know I am not those things, but they just don’t like what I’ve said. My guess is that it’s probably .ml alt accounts.
Lmao that’s an extremely disingenuous and incorrect comparison. At most it would be:
Would you point out that someone is a transphobic rightwing troll in a comic sub?
And the answer is yes. I don’t tolerate those people. But you’re probably fine with them, I’m guessing
Except I am not right wing or transphobic. You’re judging me as such based on your understanding of what I am saying.
You’re just mad that someone else posts something you disagree with, that doesn’t mean that person is a bigot. I think you need to grow up.
Yes, and? What about that is bigoted?
Being against CRT doesn’t mean you’re against anti-discrimination, or giving people better outcomes. Being against DEI doesn’t mean you’re against diversity, equity or inclusion by themselves as concepts. The academics who framed CRT/DEI were some of the most anti-U.S. Marxists, and so I don’t trust their intentions.
Listen, I am not racist, homophobic or transphobic or anything which looks down on others. If the US ever came to a civil war, I know what side I am fighting on.
This was your comment, yes?
I think we can all see what side you’ll be fighting with
Nothing I wrote is bigoted, it’s just questioning why people should accept some policies when there are people who literally perform ideological warfare against other countries.
Everything you wrote is bigoted. You are simply another rightwing bigoted racist who doesn’t “agree” with CRT (as if an an academic field needed your bigoted approval to exist).
Get fucked
You’re using these labels against me because you want to bully me into being quiet. Because unless someone expresses the same fanatical and extremist beliefs then they’re a bigot. You’re a bigot.
I don’t care about silencing you lmao. I specifically wrote that 3 TIMES ALREADY lmao.
You racists really love your victim-complex AND projection, uh?
Again, get fucked bigot
How can I convince you I am not a bigot or racist?
Since you are one, you can’t convince me otherwise.
You just wrote this too, correct?
Imagine thinking you are not racist while saying that the system is not unfavorable to minorities.
Fuck. Off. Racist
CRT is the analysis of racism within systems of power. Being anti-discrimination and anti-crt are wholly contradictory, because racism is about power. It’s like being anti-cancer and anti-radiation therapy.
I think the problem people have with CRT is framing it to say only white people are favored by those systems. I don’t think the evidence supports that only white people are favored by the system on average, it seems only rich people are favored by these systems on average.
Racism is an intersection of power structures, historical injustice, and poverty. Truth be told, that’s the recipe for all systemic injustice. The US was built for white men; the native Americans were being genocided, women were domestic slaves, and black people were chattel. Because the US reneged on reparations for ex-slaves after the civil war, a vast majority of black Americans entered the society in abject poverty. Because women, slaves, and native Americans had to be totally disenfranchised to be subjugated, laws were made to ensure disenfranchisement was long lasting. The rest of society continued to build up around these discriminatory laws, which could inflict more harm onto the group. A lot of these laws were even color blind; red zoning was on the basis of poverty.
But remember how I said former slaves were in abject poverty? Well, generational wealth plays a part here too. Wealth from family is far more important than we want to admit in this country. Some black people were able to become moderately wealthy, but that’s not everyone or even most people. Most remained in poverty after 1 generation from slavery. When red zoning excluded poverty-stricken areas, they excluded most black people.
But that’s not the end of the story. Now, we’ve understood how red zoning is harmful and repealed those laws. But segregated neighborhoods are even more segregated than before! Why? Well the racist history of enforced poverty makes it hard to build local wealth in those areas, our government has made it exceedingly hard to escape poverty, and poverty is worsening due to wealth accumulation by billionaires.
I agree with all of that, I’ve said similar things myself. I think the problem is that globalism changed the equation, and that’s why you now have Indian Americans who are a core part of Trump’s admin.
If anti-racial people keep saying that the system is rigged against minorities, then rich minorities are always going to be used as counterexamples. Because that’s the reality now, the power structures favor the wealthy, regardless of race, gender, or any other characteristic.
People trying to protect DEI and CRT will just come across as out of touch with reality, and appear as wanting favoritism, especially as the population of poor whites is also growing. If democrats want to win more elections, they should put forth policies that are in the Nordic model so that they help everyone. If anti-racists and inclusive folks want to build a better future for minorities, they have to think outside of the CRT/DEI box because the system now is not unfavorable to minorities, only the poor.
I’m at a loss for words. I just gave you a literal example of CRT that you agree with, but you’re still going on about how it isn’t relevant and “backwards”. The laws have to dismantle the biases built into the system before we can safely remove DEI programs without risk of unfair exclusion. I also want a world where those programs are no longer necessary. We have to build it first.
Maybe you’re right, and it’s too bad they did away with DEI before we got get any stats on its usefulness for the overall population. I remember that corporates starting removing DEI way before Trump started talking about it because they didn’t find that it did anything which contributed to their growth or leadership.
Edit this article shows why some people think removing DEI is racist. It’s true that anti-DEI is often favored by racist people as well.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-02-01/why-companies-are-scaling-back-dei-in-america