You will own nothing, and you will be happy
The day consoles become digital-only is the day I give up console gaming
You can not steal what you can not own. ☠️
It’s still crazy to me that people will pay 30% tax on all their games and then fork over another $120/year just to be able to play them. Or in Playstation’s case, to not play them.
The new game price difference between PC and console is largely gone. There aren’t many games released simultaneously on both console and pc that aren’t $70 nowadays. I definitely agree on the PSN cost though. Fortunately it takes years for that subscription cost to catch up to the difference in hardware coats.
I believe the 30% is referring to the share of revenue that Sony takes per transaction.
That doesn’t make sense. Steam takes the same cut. I’m sure all of the vendors do.
Not for cyberpunk 2077 on GoG, Assassin Creed [stuff] on uPlay, whatever EA thing EA is selling on Origin etc. Also, you can sell steam keys for your own gane, on your own store, without having to pay Valve.
Epic made a whole selling point of taking less
They are also a dickbag company with a garbage platform.
Doesn’t matter. Not about the quality, nor the morons downvoting me. The conversation is about percentage and a misconception. Steam takes 30%. PlayStation takes 30%. Same with Microsoft and probably Nintendo. 30% is also the “small” portion Google and Apple take on their platforms. I only know of Epic and GoG that take less. We’re talking about numerical fact, not opinion, and I can’t help but notice it’s the platforms that are comfortable having a monopoly that take 30% while the ones that publicly promote competition (or at least claim to, to be fair) that take less.
They slipped my mind. Unfortunately I think they’ll remain the only ones.
It’s equally stupid that we put up with their rent seeking.
Epic’s cut is 10%
Yea I’d forgotten about Epic.
Big games yeah, but I don’t buy those anyway myself. The 30% tax is what Xbox/Playstation take from each game sale. Steam on PC takes 30% too, but doesn’t require a subscription ontop of that to use their online services.
You can build a PC as powerful as a console for near enough the same price these days and you save massively in the long term from cheaper games and no subscription. If you have the know how. But yeah, the barrier of entry is lower for a console for sure, but that gap is only closing more and more each year with PCs becoming more accessible.
That used to be the case. I’d definitely be on your side of the argument before this generation. A $500 investment 4 years ago in an Xbox or PlayStation would run circles around a $500 investment into PC parts back then. Heck, I’d be interested if you could find something similarly powered nowadays. The GPU alone gets you to a digital only ps5.
The Arc cards are stronger than the PS5 and are like $200-250 new, you could get used RX 7600/6600XT for cheaper than that. There’s definitely paths to a PS5 equivalent PC for a similar price, and even if you spend $100, $200, $300 more, that pays off in 1, 2 or 3 years anyway.
I thought the arc cards required a beefy cpu to get the most out of them? Used components are kinda cheating the argument because you could just buy a used console. I remember mathing out the pc argument and I just couldn’t justify it. The included ps plus games would also hurt the argument for stuff like steam sales.
If you played the same games, it didn’t make sense for me go pc. The only real use case I could argue was for the Steam storefront itself (and if you take advantage of fee Epic games). I don’t know whether console or pc benefits more from patient gaming or for buying mostly new games. Like… it’s not clear cut either way for a lot of use cases.
For modest definitions of “beefy”. There are budget friendly options that will work just fine with a B-series Arc card, like an i5-12400.
There’s probably loads of builds online with new components, I haven’t built a low end PC for a while, so I am not sure on the market. As I said though you have to consider the lifespan and the savings, even just 3 years later you have saved $360. And you can definitely build a PC that is better than a PS5 Pro for $1060, peripherals included even.
With discs falling out of fashion, games are absolutely cheaper on PC for patient gamers. As you say though, the savings do depend on what games you are interested in personally. Big publishers are much more stingy on giving discounts in sales.
I’m just not seeing much mentioned about inexpensive PCs nowadays. The PS5 Pro basically has a 7800XT in it, and that’s like $500 on its own. If you don’t play multiplayer games often, or at all, or you don’t care for the ps plus games, you no longer need to even play for ps plus.
I think the days of PC gaming being the de facto answer for value gaming are gone. It’s entirely situational and I’d personally say the pendulum has swung the console route. It’s unfortunate that we now have limited technological progress on top of expensive GPUs. Remember when you could wait 4-5 years and get a 100% increase in performance for roughly what you spent previously?
Arc cards won’t play half of my library. Albeit cheaper and a step in right direction, their driver game is worse than AMD in the noughties.
You checked on that recently? The B series is much, much better.
Yes, in older games it’s particularly egregious.
The trouble with walled gardens is sometimes they have rusty gates
Did PlayStation ever make a public statement about why there is an outage? Like what caused it?
Incompetence, poor planning, probably a healthy dash of managerial stupidity not listening to the engineers. And they never drill for this which is why it’s lasted so long. But having your expensive IT staff do regular disaster recovery drills is complex and expensive so almost nobody does it properly.
Recently retired from one of the major telcos. They would do DR exercises with tabletop discussions. No actual testing or hands on. Once I learned that I knew the first big disaster we had I was just gonna walk. It was that bad.
Day one updates and DRM checks introduce extra difficulties when trying to game offline, even if you still purchase physical media.
Would be great if Sony took this as a lesson learned to ditch DRM like this, and make the PlayStation more “offline friendly”.
Right now would be a good time to make suggestions to them.
Corporations don’t care about suggestions.
I know if I spent a lot of money on a gaming system and games and because of the corporation’s bullshit they weren’t working, I would be thinking maybe other players are mad at being scammed, too - there are lawyers who make a lot of money when a bunch of consumers get swindled.
there are lawyers who make a lot of money when a bunch of consumers get swindled.
orly? it does not seem like that how it works in US. Suing a corpo is not easy. And even when plebs win, corpos keep doing same shit.
Meh, don’t play online and exactly 0 games have refused to run from BD out of a library of over 60 PS4/5 games.
“This doesn’t affect me so I don’t care. I’m going to let others know it doesn’t affect me so I can lord it over them.”
Or, alternatively, perhaps exemplify that live services are a pox upon gaming.
Darn.
