We should have let Hitler take over completely so that failed state wouldn’t be what it is today.
That would have come at an unacceptable human cost. Even just another year or two of Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe would have resulted in a massive extension of their planned genocide of Slavic peoples - and only a year or two’s delay of victory for the loss of the entire Soviet war effort would be a very optimistic view.
Okay, let me get my calculator and we can figure out who would’ve been preferable, because numbers are apparently the only deciding factor here.
Stupid nonsense. Maybe don’t argue FOR Hitler? You can argue against the soviet’s all day long, fine and dandy, but maybe don’t argue for hitler as the better choice?
You ‘whatabout’ types don’t seem to grasp that you can’t calculate evil against one another? You know that it is possible to analyze both those unjust regimes just on their own, without getting into some sort of “kill ratio dick measuring contest” one can come to the conclusion that BOTH those system were unjust and cruel.
I’m not arguing that one or the other was less evil. I’m arguing against this bullshit tankie logic that the soviets and modern russia are in anyway good. That’s the difference. Pug and other tankies act like the USSR was somehow better than nazi Germany and literal hitler
Pug and other tankies act like the USSR was somehow better than nazi Germany and literal hitler
I don’t know what kind of history you and the other user have, but nothing in their comments in this Threads indicates that to me. In fact YOU brought it up unprompted.
I’m not arguing that one or the other was less evil
Yes you were.
Your first comment:
We should have let Hitler take over completely so that failed state wouldn’t be what it is today.
Implying that Hitler would’ve meant the better outcome for the Soviet Union.
I was implying that if hitler had taken it over, we would have been able to denazify it like we did with Germany. Instead we got a ussr and russia that’s high on their own egos attacking sovereign foreign nations.
That’s the difference. Pug and other tankies act like the USSR was somehow better than nazi Germany and literal hitler
Because they literally fucking were.
That’s not high praise for the red fascist regime of Stalin which imprisoned and murdered millions under horrific conditions.
It’s an acknowledgement that the Nazi ideology whose pure and highest purpose was industrialized genocide, not even as a means but as an end in and of itself, was uniquely horrific and damaging.
That would have come at an unacceptable human cost. Even just another year or two of Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe would have resulted in a massive extension of their planned genocide of Slavic peoples - and only a year or two’s delay of victory for the loss of the entire Soviet war effort would be a very optimistic view.
Yes because the ussr didn’t starve and kill millions for another 50 years in mainly slavic countries…and putin and Ukraine are just super allies now…
Tankies gonna tank I guess.
Okay, let me get my calculator and we can figure out who would’ve been preferable, because numbers are apparently the only deciding factor here.
Stupid nonsense. Maybe don’t argue FOR Hitler? You can argue against the soviet’s all day long, fine and dandy, but maybe don’t argue for hitler as the better choice?
You ‘whatabout’ types don’t seem to grasp that you can’t calculate evil against one another? You know that it is possible to analyze both those unjust regimes just on their own, without getting into some sort of “kill ratio dick measuring contest” one can come to the conclusion that BOTH those system were unjust and cruel.
I’m not arguing that one or the other was less evil. I’m arguing against this bullshit tankie logic that the soviets and modern russia are in anyway good. That’s the difference. Pug and other tankies act like the USSR was somehow better than nazi Germany and literal hitler
I don’t know what kind of history you and the other user have, but nothing in their comments in this Threads indicates that to me. In fact YOU brought it up unprompted.
Yes you were.
Your first comment:
Implying that Hitler would’ve meant the better outcome for the Soviet Union.
I was implying that if hitler had taken it over, we would have been able to denazify it like we did with Germany. Instead we got a ussr and russia that’s high on their own egos attacking sovereign foreign nations.
Because they literally fucking were.
That’s not high praise for the red fascist regime of Stalin which imprisoned and murdered millions under horrific conditions.
It’s an acknowledgement that the Nazi ideology whose pure and highest purpose was industrialized genocide, not even as a means but as an end in and of itself, was uniquely horrific and damaging.
The fuck they were. Both killed millions, both tried genocide on groups of people. One had concentration camps. The other had gulags…
Both were shit … period
Yes, one had labor camps in which many people died in horrific conditions.
The other had death camps in which those who weren’t worked to death were systemically murdered by firing squads and gas chambers.
Both are shit. Both are horrific atrocities. Yet there is still a difference.
Regardless of the cruelty of the Soviet machine, it doesn’t hold a candle to the plans of the fucking Nazis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost