Luigi Mangione, who is charged with first-degree murder in the ambush killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, made the comments on a website set up by his defense.
Preferably you should learn to deal with criticism, even if almost anyone is disagreeing with you. Crying on social media about a majority disagreeing only makes you look like a fool and basically animates a crowd of trolls to make fun of you. Also be aware that reactions to you so far were comparably civil, on more toxic platforms you’d have already been stomped into the ground.
If your sense of self-worth isn’t strong enough to deal with massive civil / anonymous disagreement by other people without resorting to throwing shit around you should focus on improving it first before writing comments about controversial topics.
No no, again, I don’t care about your “criticism” and your bullying and your mob behavior. I care that you are excusing murder and helping to normalize violence as a way to solve political problems. That is dangerous.
Stop moving the goalpost around, you literally cried about people “brigading”, “mob mentality” and threw insults about supposed insecurity around. People are rightfully calling that out.
The best thing you can now do is to, indeed, just shut up and go for a nice walk through the park or similar. Calm down, sleep a night over this, then come back and either delete your comments or apologize for lashing out (while clearly standing with your valid opinion) if you feel like it. But stop digging your grave even deeper.
I get that this topic is fucking rough. People are dying. People get killed. And your original opinion condemning violence and asking if such things should get posted here is a completely valid opinion. BUT what really screws you over now is your inability to not lash out when confronted with huge disagreement. Conflating this with your valid point won’t get you anywhere, it will only make you look like a fool even more, causing even more strongly worded disagreement (or trolling).
No one is celebrating murder. First of all Luigi is innocent, because the cops are incompetent and just grabbed the first patsy available. Secondly because no murder happened. What happened was the inevitable. When it becomes clear that there are no consequences for bad behavior of the ruling / owning class, we start chopping off heads and shooting people. Unions were the compromise, and they have murdered that compromise. It is time to bring back the fear that the rich felt during The Gilded Age.
You can try to reframe it as much as you want so that you don’t see grey, but the rest of us are celebrating a true American Folk Hero.
I’m going to ask again, Are you Dora the Explorer on an acid trip? You are completely incapable of not licking Boots. I don’t think that poor monkey needs much more of a tongue bath.
If you’re being attacked with the possibility of dying then defending yourself with equal force isn’t murder, it’s self-defense. If the attack is systemic and the system is objectively failing and beyond repair through its own institutions, then what would be a murder in different context becomes an action of self-defense.
The person killed was, without a doubt, a perpetrator of the system that caused phenomenal amounts of suffering and death. A system that couldn’t get fixed in decades. So what you call “excusing murder” others will call celebrating a hero.
For the same reason this community celebrates any news about big corpos and rich people getting screwed over. Because it’s a piece of fairness in a broken system. There is no hypocrisy if you allow to look through others people’s perspective; given this is a hard thing to do if you just got tons of very critical, if not offensively-critical replies, I see that.
That’s a more civil effort than your previous one. If you read the comments I’ve received, I think you’ll find that many of them were offensive. Lucky then that I don’t subscribe to harm-trauma-safety culture. Too bad for me if I get insulted! But a thoughtless comment is never going to inspire a thoughtful reply. And many of these comments are clearly just from people angry and surprised to have their views questioned.
I do understand the argument you are collectively making. I find it to be unconvincing sophistry. The murder victim was a “perpetrator” of a harmful system just as you and I are perpetrators of harmful systems. We live in a complex society full of harmful systems. But we don’t necessary all agree on what constitutes “harmful”, that’s why we have laws. And this guy broke none of them. If people find that to be a problem, then they need to get the law changed so that the penalty for being CEO of a health insurer is mandatory capital punishment with no appeals allowed. That way, everyone will know in advance where they stand, including him. To the extent that this is not the law, that’s on us collectively, not on him.
For instance, I personally consider that people who eat factory-farmed meat are responsible for perpetrating a system of terrible cruelty. Those people probably include you. Do I therefore have the right to gun you down in the street? Of course not. You broke no law and I don’t get to invent my own on the hoof. (I wouldn’t do it anyway because I believe murder is wrong is all circumstances bar none.)
It seems to me that nobody here is thinking very deeply about this question. Pure ethics aside, the future world you are all promoting is one of bloody chaos. It will certainly not be a democracy.
If people find that to be a problem, then they need to get the law changed
My brother in Christ, the system meant to hold up and enable the people to shape those laws does. not. work. That’s the whole god damn point.
You might also want to look at how harmful systems usually get into power (peaceful), and how people are usually able to get rid of them if the perpetrators of said harmful system aren’t willing to give away power. Historically this was not achieved through talking nicely or resorting to the very rules of said harmful system.
Given a working democratic system that ensures people’s well-being, mass meat production can be changed peacefully through civil discussions and political participation. However this whole thing with Luigi is about the existence of said well-being and system itself. People are suffering and democracy failed them. What’s left is everyone’s own ethical compass and unspoken societal moral rules. That’s what you’re arguing with, and why Luigi is seen by many as Folk hero. And why people will get increasingly pissed about you and call you a bootlicker, as you argue as if there’s still a democracy even though for many there’s only a boot stomping on all of us.
Arguing with democratic processes if there’s no democracy to speak of anymore (or a majority of people stopped believing in it - even worse!) won’t get you anywhere.
The mob is really against you here for showing rationality and thinking better of humanity. Thank you for giving the opposing viewpoint.
The rest of you.
Violence is only the answer after all other options are exhausted. Take this energy and make meaningful change.
Protest, Rally, and Vote people. We are in this situation because a massive amount of people fail at doing their part. Be a part of your community and influence your local governments.
Burden yourself with your own civic duties. People with the knowledge and influence are out there to make the changes we want to see happen. They need our help. We the people have to make ourselves heard and take back control of our lives, so that those capable people can do what needs to be done.
Don’t let our concepts of Life, Liberty, and Justice go silently into the night.
You comment a lot for someone who could not care less.
Should I shut up so that nobody contradicts you?
Preferably you should learn to deal with criticism, even if almost anyone is disagreeing with you. Crying on social media about a majority disagreeing only makes you look like a fool and basically animates a crowd of trolls to make fun of you. Also be aware that reactions to you so far were comparably civil, on more toxic platforms you’d have already been stomped into the ground.
If your sense of self-worth isn’t strong enough to deal with massive civil / anonymous disagreement by other people without resorting to throwing shit around you should focus on improving it first before writing comments about controversial topics.
No no, again, I don’t care about your “criticism” and your bullying and your mob behavior. I care that you are excusing murder and helping to normalize violence as a way to solve political problems. That is dangerous.
Stop moving the goalpost around, you literally cried about people “brigading”, “mob mentality” and threw insults about supposed insecurity around. People are rightfully calling that out.
The best thing you can now do is to, indeed, just shut up and go for a nice walk through the park or similar. Calm down, sleep a night over this, then come back and either delete your comments or apologize for lashing out (while clearly standing with your valid opinion) if you feel like it. But stop digging your grave even deeper.
I get that this topic is fucking rough. People are dying. People get killed. And your original opinion condemning violence and asking if such things should get posted here is a completely valid opinion. BUT what really screws you over now is your inability to not lash out when confronted with huge disagreement. Conflating this with your valid point won’t get you anywhere, it will only make you look like a fool even more, causing even more strongly worded disagreement (or trolling).
The anger and insults and hypocrisy here are quite something.
Let’s get back to basics. There are lots of people here excusing murder. I am saying that is a bad thing. That is all.
No one is celebrating murder. First of all Luigi is innocent, because the cops are incompetent and just grabbed the first patsy available. Secondly because no murder happened. What happened was the inevitable. When it becomes clear that there are no consequences for bad behavior of the ruling / owning class, we start chopping off heads and shooting people. Unions were the compromise, and they have murdered that compromise. It is time to bring back the fear that the rich felt during The Gilded Age.
You can try to reframe it as much as you want so that you don’t see grey, but the rest of us are celebrating a true American Folk Hero.
I’m going to ask again, Are you Dora the Explorer on an acid trip? You are completely incapable of not licking Boots. I don’t think that poor monkey needs much more of a tongue bath.
If you’re being attacked with the possibility of dying then defending yourself with equal force isn’t murder, it’s self-defense. If the attack is systemic and the system is objectively failing and beyond repair through its own institutions, then what would be a murder in different context becomes an action of self-defense.
The person killed was, without a doubt, a perpetrator of the system that caused phenomenal amounts of suffering and death. A system that couldn’t get fixed in decades. So what you call “excusing murder” others will call celebrating a hero.
For the same reason this community celebrates any news about big corpos and rich people getting screwed over. Because it’s a piece of fairness in a broken system. There is no hypocrisy if you allow to look through others people’s perspective; given this is a hard thing to do if you just got tons of very critical, if not offensively-critical replies, I see that.
That’s a more civil effort than your previous one. If you read the comments I’ve received, I think you’ll find that many of them were offensive. Lucky then that I don’t subscribe to harm-trauma-safety culture. Too bad for me if I get insulted! But a thoughtless comment is never going to inspire a thoughtful reply. And many of these comments are clearly just from people angry and surprised to have their views questioned.
I do understand the argument you are collectively making. I find it to be unconvincing sophistry. The murder victim was a “perpetrator” of a harmful system just as you and I are perpetrators of harmful systems. We live in a complex society full of harmful systems. But we don’t necessary all agree on what constitutes “harmful”, that’s why we have laws. And this guy broke none of them. If people find that to be a problem, then they need to get the law changed so that the penalty for being CEO of a health insurer is mandatory capital punishment with no appeals allowed. That way, everyone will know in advance where they stand, including him. To the extent that this is not the law, that’s on us collectively, not on him.
For instance, I personally consider that people who eat factory-farmed meat are responsible for perpetrating a system of terrible cruelty. Those people probably include you. Do I therefore have the right to gun you down in the street? Of course not. You broke no law and I don’t get to invent my own on the hoof. (I wouldn’t do it anyway because I believe murder is wrong is all circumstances bar none.)
It seems to me that nobody here is thinking very deeply about this question. Pure ethics aside, the future world you are all promoting is one of bloody chaos. It will certainly not be a democracy.
My brother in Christ, the system meant to hold up and enable the people to shape those laws does. not. work. That’s the whole god damn point. You might also want to look at how harmful systems usually get into power (peaceful), and how people are usually able to get rid of them if the perpetrators of said harmful system aren’t willing to give away power. Historically this was not achieved through talking nicely or resorting to the very rules of said harmful system. Given a working democratic system that ensures people’s well-being, mass meat production can be changed peacefully through civil discussions and political participation. However this whole thing with Luigi is about the existence of said well-being and system itself. People are suffering and democracy failed them. What’s left is everyone’s own ethical compass and unspoken societal moral rules. That’s what you’re arguing with, and why Luigi is seen by many as Folk hero. And why people will get increasingly pissed about you and call you a bootlicker, as you argue as if there’s still a democracy even though for many there’s only a boot stomping on all of us.
Arguing with democratic processes if there’s no democracy to speak of anymore (or a majority of people stopped believing in it - even worse!) won’t get you anywhere.
The mob is really against you here for showing rationality and thinking better of humanity. Thank you for giving the opposing viewpoint.
The rest of you.
Violence is only the answer after all other options are exhausted. Take this energy and make meaningful change.
Protest, Rally, and Vote people. We are in this situation because a massive amount of people fail at doing their part. Be a part of your community and influence your local governments.
Burden yourself with your own civic duties. People with the knowledge and influence are out there to make the changes we want to see happen. They need our help. We the people have to make ourselves heard and take back control of our lives, so that those capable people can do what needs to be done.
Don’t let our concepts of Life, Liberty, and Justice go silently into the night.
Precisely
Thanks for the support! And to the handful of upvoters too. Nice to know I’m not completely alone.
You should probably shut up because nothing but shit oozes from your maw. Keeping your mouth shut so you can handle your shame in private.