I can absolutely generalize that to the literal thousands of other people who might suddenly be faced with the fact that Linux is not VR ready when they decide to switch based on incomplete, intentionally misleading information to try to sell Linux as something that it’s not.
They have a right to an informed decision too, and I don’t think “just lie to them for the greater good lol” is the correct answer here.
Not to mention, “Linux is gaming-ready, as long as you don’t need 100% VR headset compatibility” still has the capability to draw in a ton of new people.
From what I’ve seen, almost all advice about making the switch to Linux is along the lines of “try it out” or “dual-boot Windows” so I fail to see how anyone is going to be seriously inconvenienced here.
As well, marketing in general is full of embellishments to the truth. Microsoft lies, Google lies, Apple lies. To turn around and say that Linux isn’t ready for gaming when (using your charitable 10% figure) 0.2% of gamers won’t be able to use it, is ridiculous.
You got lied too by Microsoft on the promise of hardware support and they pulled the plug. It feels like now you’re trying to lay the blame at Linux’ feet instead of copping that on the chin.
From what I’ve seen, almost all advice about making the switch to Linux is along the lines of “try it out” or “dual-boot Windows” so I fail to see how anyone is going to be seriously inconvenienced here.
This seems like even more of a reason to be up front about it then, and add “not all VR headsets work” to the list of caveats for people switching along with “you might not be able to play your favorite predatory multiplayer game”.
Yes, Micro$oft is a shitty company that lied to and shafted its customers, which is why it seems really odd to me to argue that Linux should be doing the same thing instead of being better. And by better, I don’t mean they have an obligation to support my headset or anything - just that we should be honest about the fact that Linux doesn’t instead of falsely acting like it does with misleading blanket statements like “VR works on Linux” when that’s just not true.
We’re just circling back to the fact that WMR is a tiny subset though. You’re holding Linux to an impossible standard that you aren’t holding the maker of your headset (API) too.
You’ve talked about Linux as if it should meet these lofty goals, but what you’re failing to recognise is that Microsoft pays teams of hundreds to thousands of developers, and Linux is completely free and donation/grant-based. So of course it isn’t going to be perfect, and of course it isn’t going to support every little niche.
Your concept that because of its open nature it should support everything from the history of gaming and computing is an unreasonable expectation. Old laptops work well so people who wouldn’t otherwise have access to a computer can get something working for very little money, and because those devices are prolific. But even then almost all distros have deprecated 32-bit support.
What? I am absolutely holding Microsoft to that standard - I quit using their operating system and switched to Linux, for god’s sake. If I could use Linux for VR and delete my M$ partition, I’d do it literally right now. But I can’t, because Linux doesn’t support it.
And, once again, the conversation is literally about VR here - it’s completely disingenuous to claim that a platform that at least 10% the market runs on is “a tiny subset”.
what you’re failing to recognise is that Microsoft pays teams of hundreds to thousands of developers, and Linux is completely free and donation/grant-based
Wow, you’re right! That’s never once occurred to me. Wow, what a revelation that I totally failed to recognize after over a year of running Linux on every computer in my household up until this moment on the Linux gaming community. Thank goodness a brilliant individual like you could finally break through my ignorance and make me aware of this little-known fact.
Jesus.
Your concept that because of its open nature it should support everything from the history of gaming and computing is an unreasonable expectation.
Please quote where I said that. Like, a literal, actual quote.
I’ve really had it with people in this thread shoving their words down my throat. Like, it’s really getting old.
Here’s what I said (again). Everyone reading this thread, please pay attention and actually READ this time:
“Linux has no obligation to support my headset. They don’t have an obligation to support VR at all! However, when the question on the table is ‘is Linux gaming ready’, the answer should be ‘yes, but’, and one of the (quickly shrinking number of) buts that must be included is that Linux is not fully VR ready”
Is it true that Microsoft is also not fully VR ready, and that they don’t even support the VR platform they themselves suckered thousands of people into? YES!!
Is Microsoft also not gaming ready, since you seem so hung up on what Microsoft does? Absolutely, and in many ways they’re even less gaming ready than Linux is, imo.
But, you know who does at the very least tell people that they don’t support WMR?
I can absolutely generalize that to the literal thousands of other people who might suddenly be faced with the fact that Linux is not VR ready when they decide to switch based on incomplete, intentionally misleading information to try to sell Linux as something that it’s not.
They have a right to an informed decision too, and I don’t think “just lie to them for the greater good lol” is the correct answer here.
Not to mention, “Linux is gaming-ready, as long as you don’t need 100% VR headset compatibility” still has the capability to draw in a ton of new people.
From what I’ve seen, almost all advice about making the switch to Linux is along the lines of “try it out” or “dual-boot Windows” so I fail to see how anyone is going to be seriously inconvenienced here.
As well, marketing in general is full of embellishments to the truth. Microsoft lies, Google lies, Apple lies. To turn around and say that Linux isn’t ready for gaming when (using your charitable 10% figure) 0.2% of gamers won’t be able to use it, is ridiculous.
You got lied too by Microsoft on the promise of hardware support and they pulled the plug. It feels like now you’re trying to lay the blame at Linux’ feet instead of copping that on the chin.
This seems like even more of a reason to be up front about it then, and add “not all VR headsets work” to the list of caveats for people switching along with “you might not be able to play your favorite predatory multiplayer game”.
Yes, Micro$oft is a shitty company that lied to and shafted its customers, which is why it seems really odd to me to argue that Linux should be doing the same thing instead of being better. And by better, I don’t mean they have an obligation to support my headset or anything - just that we should be honest about the fact that Linux doesn’t instead of falsely acting like it does with misleading blanket statements like “VR works on Linux” when that’s just not true.
We’re just circling back to the fact that WMR is a tiny subset though. You’re holding Linux to an impossible standard that you aren’t holding the maker of your headset (API) too.
You’ve talked about Linux as if it should meet these lofty goals, but what you’re failing to recognise is that Microsoft pays teams of hundreds to thousands of developers, and Linux is completely free and donation/grant-based. So of course it isn’t going to be perfect, and of course it isn’t going to support every little niche.
Your concept that because of its open nature it should support everything from the history of gaming and computing is an unreasonable expectation. Old laptops work well so people who wouldn’t otherwise have access to a computer can get something working for very little money, and because those devices are prolific. But even then almost all distros have deprecated 32-bit support.
What? I am absolutely holding Microsoft to that standard - I quit using their operating system and switched to Linux, for god’s sake. If I could use Linux for VR and delete my M$ partition, I’d do it literally right now. But I can’t, because Linux doesn’t support it.
And, once again, the conversation is literally about VR here - it’s completely disingenuous to claim that a platform that at least 10% the market runs on is “a tiny subset”.
Wow, you’re right! That’s never once occurred to me. Wow, what a revelation that I totally failed to recognize after over a year of running Linux on every computer in my household up until this moment on the Linux gaming community. Thank goodness a brilliant individual like you could finally break through my ignorance and make me aware of this little-known fact.
Jesus.
Please quote where I said that. Like, a literal, actual quote.
I’ve really had it with people in this thread shoving their words down my throat. Like, it’s really getting old.
Here’s what I said (again). Everyone reading this thread, please pay attention and actually READ this time:
“Linux has no obligation to support my headset. They don’t have an obligation to support VR at all! However, when the question on the table is ‘is Linux gaming ready’, the answer should be ‘yes, but’, and one of the (quickly shrinking number of) buts that must be included is that Linux is not fully VR ready”
Is it true that Microsoft is also not fully VR ready, and that they don’t even support the VR platform they themselves suckered thousands of people into? YES!!
Is Microsoft also not gaming ready, since you seem so hung up on what Microsoft does? Absolutely, and in many ways they’re even less gaming ready than Linux is, imo.
But, you know who does at the very least tell people that they don’t support WMR?
Microsoft.