I think it’s conflating a fictional character with a real world group that fought hard, at great personal risk for equality in the US, and many suffered greatly in line with that risk.
Meanwhile, as beloved as the character is, he’s still fictional and was created by a white dude. Mind you, that doesn’t reduce the importance of the character; at the time, there were zero black artists and writers in any position of influence in comics, so you can’t dismiss the character black panther because of that.
But seeing this picture and bringing that character up is not really appropriate. If it was meant as a joke, I get it, and I can see how it’s funny. Very funny tbh. But when you’re trying to do written humor, you gotta take the hits when it doesn’t work in that format. Gods know I’ve come out with some stuff that’s seriously funny with the ability to use tone of voice and body language to shift it towards humor rather than something ugly.
Your comment, if it wasn’t meant as satire, would be what is called tone deaf. Wrong comment at the wrong time in the wrong place
Now, I didn’t take it as racist tbh. My assumption was, and is, that it was a joke based on comic or movie fandom. But it definitely could be taken as minimizing or denigrating the Black Panthers and their contribution to society.
Ehhhh, that’s dubious. I’d have to see something said or written by the founders before I’d jump on board with that.
What with search engine enshittification, I’m not finding anything that directly supports it at all, and I am seeing disagreement with it.
Since the comic did predate the actual black panther party, it isn’t impossible.
However, the party wasn’t exactly created out of nowhere, and there’s a decent history of that black panther as a symbol for black activism that predates both the comic and the party.
Now, I’m not screaming “sources or gtfo” or anything like that. This is a casual conversation, and you don’t owe me shit in the way of effort, so don’t worry if you don’t want to.
But I can’t see anything supporting that origin, and it is disputed, so I won’t be repeating it, or correcting anything until and unless I see some kind of support for it that is credible and sourced
interesting, id always assumed since it predated the black panther party by a few months. and the fact some people thought the comic was named after the party when the comic had already been out by the time the party formed
Pretty much what you said. I guess calling it racist is a little harsh, but like you stated,kind of makes a joke at the expense of the Black Panthers which was a really strong force in fighting for equality for African Americans.
I do not criticize you but I always find it astounding that in the US everything gets painted in black, white, yellow, red, what-ever while shouting loudly “it’s not racist”.
Maybe people over there should stop telling people what skin color this and that guy has. If most don’t know there can’t be racism based on color. In my country newspapers usually refrain from reporting the skin color because that could lead to increased racist behavior.
You can argue that’s self-imposed censorship but if it keeps people friendly and peaceful it might be an alternative on occasions.
Maybe people over there should stop telling people what skin color this and that guy has. If most don’t know there can’t be racism based on color. In my country newspapers usually refrain from reporting the skin color because that could lead to increased racist behavior.
France has tried that, obsessively, and their racism problem remains massive. Ignoring a problem does not make it go away, especially when the problem is often with institutions mistreating minority groups while claiming that it was completely justified.
Eh, I think I get what you’re saying, and there’s some validity to it. But it’s tangential to the conversation, and I’m not in the mood to go down that tangent right now, so I’ll just leave it at that.
Either racist or ignorant Marvel fanboy. Can’t tell which is worse. Yes I’m feeding the troll.
Care to help me see what’s racist about what I said? I’m a little slow.
I think it’s conflating a fictional character with a real world group that fought hard, at great personal risk for equality in the US, and many suffered greatly in line with that risk.
Meanwhile, as beloved as the character is, he’s still fictional and was created by a white dude. Mind you, that doesn’t reduce the importance of the character; at the time, there were zero black artists and writers in any position of influence in comics, so you can’t dismiss the character black panther because of that.
But seeing this picture and bringing that character up is not really appropriate. If it was meant as a joke, I get it, and I can see how it’s funny. Very funny tbh. But when you’re trying to do written humor, you gotta take the hits when it doesn’t work in that format. Gods know I’ve come out with some stuff that’s seriously funny with the ability to use tone of voice and body language to shift it towards humor rather than something ugly.
Your comment, if it wasn’t meant as satire, would be what is called tone deaf. Wrong comment at the wrong time in the wrong place
Now, I didn’t take it as racist tbh. My assumption was, and is, that it was a joke based on comic or movie fandom. But it definitely could be taken as minimizing or denigrating the Black Panthers and their contribution to society.
black panthers literally named themselves after the black panther comic book
Ehhhh, that’s dubious. I’d have to see something said or written by the founders before I’d jump on board with that.
What with search engine enshittification, I’m not finding anything that directly supports it at all, and I am seeing disagreement with it.
Since the comic did predate the actual black panther party, it isn’t impossible.
However, the party wasn’t exactly created out of nowhere, and there’s a decent history of that black panther as a symbol for black activism that predates both the comic and the party.
Now, I’m not screaming “sources or gtfo” or anything like that. This is a casual conversation, and you don’t owe me shit in the way of effort, so don’t worry if you don’t want to.
But I can’t see anything supporting that origin, and it is disputed, so I won’t be repeating it, or correcting anything until and unless I see some kind of support for it that is credible and sourced
interesting, id always assumed since it predated the black panther party by a few months. and the fact some people thought the comic was named after the party when the comic had already been out by the time the party formed
Source? From what I remember, the two emerged around the same time, but the naming was coincidence.
Pretty much what you said. I guess calling it racist is a little harsh, but like you stated,kind of makes a joke at the expense of the Black Panthers which was a really strong force in fighting for equality for African Americans.
I do not criticize you but I always find it astounding that in the US everything gets painted in black, white, yellow, red, what-ever while shouting loudly “it’s not racist”.
Maybe people over there should stop telling people what skin color this and that guy has. If most don’t know there can’t be racism based on color. In my country newspapers usually refrain from reporting the skin color because that could lead to increased racist behavior.
You can argue that’s self-imposed censorship but if it keeps people friendly and peaceful it might be an alternative on occasions.
France has tried that, obsessively, and their racism problem remains massive. Ignoring a problem does not make it go away, especially when the problem is often with institutions mistreating minority groups while claiming that it was completely justified.
It’s not about ignoring. It’s about preventing goading people into doing something stupid.
Eh, I think I get what you’re saying, and there’s some validity to it. But it’s tangential to the conversation, and I’m not in the mood to go down that tangent right now, so I’ll just leave it at that.