What do you mean with the word “reject” in this context? I mean they’re all Abrahamic religions and share that foundation. But they all disagree on who is the last prophet. Islam would even acknowledge Jesus. He’s just not the most important prophet. And we christians have all the old Jewish stories in the Old Testament and we study them and deem everything to be true. What the Israelites and all the other tribes did in the Iron Age and how it all came to be. And our messiah was a Jew. So there is a strong bond between those religions. But I’m not very well educated on the Jewish perspective on this renewal and spin-off of their religion.
Jews believe the truth of their faith ends with them. Christians believe the truth of their faith ends with them. Islam believes they have the final truth.
But is that rejection, or what are the consequences? I mean even every denomination of christianity thinks all the other ones are wrong. All the holy books are in itself full of contradictions, so people interpret them and deem every scholar of their own faith wrong, once it opposes their own take on it… So I’m not sure if they even think like that. I mean in practice it turns out that way. Everyone forms tribes and they’re the only ones blessed with the truth. But I think that’s way smaller groups, and kind of the other way round. Because religion is to a large degree about tribalism and not intellectual arguments. Though they have that, too. But it’s slapped on top. Maybe I’ve answered my question with that… 😆
The other denominations think the other ones are mistaken in most cases. Some like LDS are seen as “wrong” though I would argue they should be seen as a new Abrahamic branch.
Judaism sees no truth in Christianity or Islam. Christianity sees the Jewish faith as outdated in the light if the teachings of Jesus. Islam thinks both Jews and Christians have a misunderstanding of the truth God gave them.
This really isn’t about tribalism. It’s about what you must accept to justify your belief. If a Christian believes any of the core principles of Islam they kind of can’t be Christian because the truth was supposed to be that Christ was the final messenger. If there is another prophet that undoes Jesus’ supremacy.
Hmmh, thanks. I wrote another comment here, detailing how I wasn’t taught that Jewish faith is outdated. Their way of living and civil laws, yes. But most of their books is what we look at to see how the world was created and what happened until Jesus was born. And that’s pretty much in place as is. But I’m not a theologian. I don’t think they taught me much about Islam, though.
And sure, I can see how it’s different the other way around, if someone declares a messiah and it’s not the same belief any more.
I think he paid for our sins, and not fulfill the laws? Unless you mean the foreshadowing in the Old Testament and how the story picks up on that. Thanks for raising that point! I think that might be it. Afaik Jesus died for the sins of everyone, not just the Christians. But you got to accept his sacrifice to get salvation. Which I’d argue is the thing that technically makes you a Christian. And it’s simultaneously the excuse to look down on other people who then aren’t going to see forgiveness.
That’s not what the catholic church taught to me. I believe they said something like that the new covenant means we get a new relationship with god. But it doesn’t invalidate the old one. It’s more or less civil laws and ceremonial laws that don’t apply anymore while the deeper morals shouldn’t really contradict each other. And the history and stories stay relevant. (And they made us learn a good amount of them, like what the Samaritan tribe did and a few others, the main story arcs with Moses, Abraham, the flooding and Noah, Lot…) I mean we wouldn’t even be able to tell how the world came into existence without relying solely on the Old Testament.
I grossly oversimplified things (I was typing on a phone). If everyone understands the above as a gross over simplification Christians will generally agree it is close enough to their truth. Meanwhile if we get into the more complex version that whichever Christian sect believes we discover this is no agreement.
According to muslims. christians reject the muslims: not related except taking a few names. jews reject both as only taking the name of their god.
What do you mean with the word “reject” in this context? I mean they’re all Abrahamic religions and share that foundation. But they all disagree on who is the last prophet. Islam would even acknowledge Jesus. He’s just not the most important prophet. And we christians have all the old Jewish stories in the Old Testament and we study them and deem everything to be true. What the Israelites and all the other tribes did in the Iron Age and how it all came to be. And our messiah was a Jew. So there is a strong bond between those religions. But I’m not very well educated on the Jewish perspective on this renewal and spin-off of their religion.
Jews believe the truth of their faith ends with them. Christians believe the truth of their faith ends with them. Islam believes they have the final truth.
But is that rejection, or what are the consequences? I mean even every denomination of christianity thinks all the other ones are wrong. All the holy books are in itself full of contradictions, so people interpret them and deem every scholar of their own faith wrong, once it opposes their own take on it… So I’m not sure if they even think like that. I mean in practice it turns out that way. Everyone forms tribes and they’re the only ones blessed with the truth. But I think that’s way smaller groups, and kind of the other way round. Because religion is to a large degree about tribalism and not intellectual arguments. Though they have that, too. But it’s slapped on top. Maybe I’ve answered my question with that… 😆
The other denominations think the other ones are mistaken in most cases. Some like LDS are seen as “wrong” though I would argue they should be seen as a new Abrahamic branch.
Judaism sees no truth in Christianity or Islam. Christianity sees the Jewish faith as outdated in the light if the teachings of Jesus. Islam thinks both Jews and Christians have a misunderstanding of the truth God gave them.
This really isn’t about tribalism. It’s about what you must accept to justify your belief. If a Christian believes any of the core principles of Islam they kind of can’t be Christian because the truth was supposed to be that Christ was the final messenger. If there is another prophet that undoes Jesus’ supremacy.
Hmmh, thanks. I wrote another comment here, detailing how I wasn’t taught that Jewish faith is outdated. Their way of living and civil laws, yes. But most of their books is what we look at to see how the world was created and what happened until Jesus was born. And that’s pretty much in place as is. But I’m not a theologian. I don’t think they taught me much about Islam, though.
And sure, I can see how it’s different the other way around, if someone declares a messiah and it’s not the same belief any more.
Their religious laws are outdated for Christians in light of the message of Christ. Theoretically Jesus’s sacrifice fulfills the laws.
I think he paid for our sins, and not fulfill the laws? Unless you mean the foreshadowing in the Old Testament and how the story picks up on that. Thanks for raising that point! I think that might be it. Afaik Jesus died for the sins of everyone, not just the Christians. But you got to accept his sacrifice to get salvation. Which I’d argue is the thing that technically makes you a Christian. And it’s simultaneously the excuse to look down on other people who then aren’t going to see forgiveness.
“Fulfilling the law” is a way of explaining why Christians do not need to follow the laws of Judaism.
By going beyond they are rejecting ‘the truth’. christians read The old testiment looking for jesus but otyerwise superceeded.
That’s not what the catholic church taught to me. I believe they said something like that the new covenant means we get a new relationship with god. But it doesn’t invalidate the old one. It’s more or less civil laws and ceremonial laws that don’t apply anymore while the deeper morals shouldn’t really contradict each other. And the history and stories stay relevant. (And they made us learn a good amount of them, like what the Samaritan tribe did and a few others, the main story arcs with Moses, Abraham, the flooding and Noah, Lot…) I mean we wouldn’t even be able to tell how the world came into existence without relying solely on the Old Testament.
I grossly oversimplified things (I was typing on a phone). If everyone understands the above as a gross over simplification Christians will generally agree it is close enough to their truth. Meanwhile if we get into the more complex version that whichever Christian sect believes we discover this is no agreement.
Yeah, I mean you’re probably right. And it’s a super complicated topic anyway like all theology 😅