First like 5 episodes they already have sexism, and ableism, as well as referencing Elon musk as well as capturing a creature and using it for there own agenda, like wtf is this? Does it ever become less shitty or should I just skip it?

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    Trek started going downhill after TNG.

    At least DS9 tried to maintain the “morality play” idea while expanding into a larger-world concept.

    Then Enterprise struck, with the “gotta fill the back story for all the kids who just can’t stand to not know all the details of how it started”.

    This concept/approach has killed so much stuff in the last 20 years.

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      DS9 is peak Star Trek. Its far from perfect, but so is TNG. It’s the last Trek series to truly have vision. Subsequent writers unfortunately took the wrong lessons from the show, but we can hardly blame DS9 for that.

      The TNG films and Voyager are what began Star Treks downward spiral. Poor creative decisions and studio meddling doomed the TNG Films. Meanwhile, sloppy writing and a flawed premise that was poorly executed combined to make Voyager the most mediocre 90s Trek show.

      ENT was just the final nail in the coffin. A complete regression of the series that nobody asked for. A desperate attempt at revival by a creative team that was out of ideas.

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          As someone who loves TNG, it’s a very mixed bag of a show. It has very high highs, and very low lows. It’s a product of its era of television for better or worse.

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            I also didn’t grow up in the 80’s. I feel like part of the appeal is childhood memories. Watching later for the first time doesn’t have the same effect.

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              I think an attachment to the characters, nostalgic or otherwise, is necessary to enjoy all of TNG. That way even in bad episodes, it’s character you enjoy just doing silly things. Without that attachment A LOT of TNG can be hard to get through.

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              I also think that has a lot to do with it. TOS was what I watched when I was young, (many years after it came out!) and I know nostalgia clouds my opinion of it. I didn’t try watching TNG and DS9 until I was a young adult, and TNG was sometimes a struggle. Fortunately I also had DS9, which hooked me right away!