In-vehicle selling in connected cars may be too tempting for car makers to ignore.
  • mindbleachEnglish
    1·
    24 minutes ago

    Fuck off calling it a “glitch.”

    They didn’t accidentally shove ads into the dashboard. That’s deliberate and intolerable. One is too many.

  • sugar_in_your_teaEnglish
    2·
    1 hour ago

    Yeah, that’s a no from me dawg.

    If a car has ads in it, I’m not buying it. If a car phones home and I can’t disable that, I’m not buying it.

    • xthexder@l.sw0.comEnglish
      2·
      3 hours ago

      Not a single screen to be found! Just analog gauges and buttons as it should be.

    • Blaster M@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      12 hours ago

      Found anyone that can fab trim panels? It’s getting difficult to keep the ol’ E in good visual shape.

      • atomicbocksEnglish
        8·
        11 hours ago

        If you are in dire need, and haven’t already, try finding a local salvage yard (junkyard, breakers yard, etc. depending on your location) and pulling the parts you need from there.

  • jqubed@lemmy.worldEnglish
    17·
    14 hours ago

    Are they going to take the Amazon Kindle route? Pay one price for the car or pay a lower price for the car that shows you ads? Not that the car makers would use it to lower the price of the cars, but raise the price of ad-free cars I’m sure.

    • mindbleachEnglish
      1·
      22 minutes ago

      Literally never works.

      It always becomes paying plus getting ads.

      It’s a god damned CAR. It costs most of a hundred thousand dollars! They don’t need whatever pennies they can scrape off your eyeballs, and if they did, I’d tell them to go out of business and then choke!

    • schizo@forum.uncomfortable.businessEnglish
      9·
      13 hours ago

      No, they won’t.

      At best you’ll get some sort of nearly worthless concession because they have to slap in cellular hardware to make the ad bit work - something like you’ll get free traffic updates on your gps nav (sold seperately) - since they need some sort of enticement.

      No way they’d offer anything remotely looking like a meaningful discount.

  • Phoenixz@lemmy.caEnglish
    92·
    14 hours ago

    Today’s new cars come stuffed with some 1,000 to 3,000 semiconductor chips that help to control and coordinate everything from lowering windows and adjusting mirrors to deploying airbags, enabling collision avoidance systems, pairing phones with center consoles and displays, and coordinating navigation.

    Seriously? Am I the only one thinking this could be done with less than 10 chips at most? For what the cost of the car is, you can easily run a normal off the shelf mobo with 8BG memory. Add in a few extra chips for analog control, etc, where does that number 1000-3000 come from? That is insane

    • GamingChairModel@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      11 hours ago

      When I plug my phone into the wall, there are chips in the wall charger and on both sides of the cable, because the simple act of charging requires a handshake and an exchange of information notifying the charger, the cable, and the phone what charging modes are supported, and how to ask for more or less power.

      Seriously? Am I the only one thinking this could be done with less than 10 chips at most?

      How many chips are in a fully configured desktop computer? There’s like dozens of any given motherboard, controlling all the little I/O requirements. Each module of RAM is several chips. If you use external cards, each card will have a few chips, too. Meanwhile, the keyboard and the mouse each have a few chips, and the display/monitor has a bunch more.

      I’d be surprised if the typical computer had less than 100 chips.

      Now let’s look at the car functions. A turn signal that blinks, oscillating between on and off? That’s probably a chip. A windshield wiper that can do intermittent wiping at different speeds? Another chip or more. Variable valve timing that’s electronically controlled? Another few chips. Each sensor that detects something, from fuel tank status to engine knocking to air/fuel mixture? Probably another chip. Controllers that combine all this information to determine how to mix the fuel and air, whether to trigger a warning light on the dash, etc.? Probably more chips. What about deployment of airbags, or triggering of the anti-lock braking systems? Cruise control requires a few more chips, as speedometers and odometers are not electronic rather than the old analog systems. Smart cruise control and lane detection has even more chips. Hybrid drivetrains that charge or discharge batteries need dozens of chips controlling the flow of power (and the logic of when power should flow in which direction).

      By the time Toyota was in the news in 2011 for potential throttle sticking problems that killed people, it was typical for even economy cars to have something like 30 ECUs controlling different things, with each ECU and its associated sensors requiring multiple chips.

      Some modern perks require even more chips. Automatic lights? High beam dimming? Automatic wipers? Remote start or shutting off the engine at idle?

      And that’s just for driving. FM tuner? Chips. AM tuner? More chips. Bluetooth and Carplay/Android Auto? More chips. Rear view camera, now mandated on all cars? More chips. A built-in GPS or infotainment system? A full blown computer.

      All the little analog controllers that were present in cars in the 80’s are now more efficiently performed on integrated circuits, including analog circuits. Each function will require its own chip. If you’re trying to recreate the exact functionality of a typical car from the 1990’s, you’d probably still need a minimum of a few hundred chips to pull it off. And it’s probably smart to segment things so that each module does one thing in a specialized way, isolated from the others, lest an unexpected input on the radio mess up the spark plug timing.

      The world is run by chips, and splitting up the functions into multiple computers/controllers, with multiple chips each, is just the easier and more efficient way to do things.

      • lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        2 hours ago

        By the time Toyota was in the news in 2011 for potential throttle sticking problems that killed people, it was typical for even economy cars to have something like 30 ECUs controlling different things, with each ECU and its associated sensors requiring multiple chips.

        Yep. My 2008 Toyota Sienna has many controllers. Each door has its own dedicated controller, and there are digital servos with their own controllers inside the sliding doors that handle remote operation.

    • AtariDump@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      14 hours ago

      It’s because each device is made by a different vendor and they all need to talk to each other.

      If you look at some of the EVs you’ll find that it’s closer to 10 because the EV manufacturers are starting to make all of their own components

    • Richard@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      14 hours ago

      Maybe they mean every single silicon component on all of the boards. I can imagine that cars need lots of diodes and discrete transistors and such. But computer-wise, thousands would really be excessive.

    • ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      14 hours ago

      You can still buy Motorola 68000 chips (from the Apple II and Commodore 64) and get the job of rolling windows up and down done. Sometimes, old chip designs are good enough and cheaper than one modern design.