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      I agree. The Trusk team has got the ball rolling for some of trump’s base, but we have to figure out a way to separate the rest from him. I really don’t know how at this point. Common sense doesn’t work and they never see the people making fun of them because they live in a bubble. It’s starting to be too late.

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      So many of these clowns can’t be bothered to vote but will still blame the dems.

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      The dems are one of the only groups in the US who (legally) had the power to:

      • reduce voter suppression
      • fix the electoral system in general (e.g. remove the broken FPTP system)
      • stop sabotaging popular candidates
      • not choose a senile dementia-sufferer to remain the country’s leader for years
      • support the worker class instead of the owning class and get their votes (too many things to list)
      • support US citizens instead of imperial interests in countries half the population can’t plot on a map

      For most of these things, they should have been doing this long, long ago, before even Obama’s terms. The Democrat Party clearly had the power of the state for more than enough time to make them look like an alternative rather than a complicit ally of the Republican Party. Why should they not be seen as at fault?

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      did you not read the text in the pic? did it not load for you? lemme transcribe.

      “My roommate described Republicans as the mass shooter and Democrats as Uvalde cops, and I can’t get it out of my head”

      maybe, if you want people to vote for you, you should try fighting for them. maybe, if you want people to vote for them, you shouldn’t sacrifice them and sell them out at every opportunity. maybe, if you want people to vote for you, you should take office when you win the election(2000) not betray every promise and ideal that has ever come out of your mouth (2008) and not be a thug who uses the threat of a worse thug to gaslight and collectively abuse a nation being indistinguishable politically from the guy you rolled over for in 2000 (2020).

      maybe you could try some sort of harsh fingernails-and-teeth parliamentary resistance? more than one guy, and try not shunning him for it (like you did literally last week). maybe organize armed groups to fight the nazis in the streets? I know, wishful thinking; you would never fight your work friends.

      but, you know; you could do something for us. if you want us to vote for you. hell, maybe try just not spending our tax money on murdering children for OTHER nazi shit heads for literally no benefit to us? maybe spend it on building bridges instead. or stimulate the economy by hiring a bunch of local sex workers and partying every night; whatever.

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    At this point why should they say anything? They’ve been fighting tooth and nail for years against this. I feel this is the ‘when your enemy is making mistakes, don’t interfere’. They’re letting people see what they voted for, or didn’t get off their ass to vote for. Not even being part of Trumps’ base will be able to insulate them from what they’re about to struggle with.

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      What even can they do?

      This, for better or worse, is the will of the people. It’s not like nobody knew this was going to happen.

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        What even can they do?

        • Refuse Democratic cooperation on a single Republican nominee or bill without severe concessions.
        • Hang any Democrat who dares utter the word “bipartisanship” from a lamp post.
        • Boycott important Trump speeches.
        • Refuse to assist in passing laws that will give the president more power.
        • Filibuster everything and use every iota of resistance in the Senate possible.
        • Participate in direct protests like Al Green - every single member should have done the same thing.
        • Participate and lead street protests directly.
        • Demand lawful access to government buildings, enter by force if necessary.
        • Have candidates for 2028 start running for president NOW, to serve as foci and centers of resistance.
        • Start drafting a “Project 2029” now. Be just as prepared as Trump’s team was.

        They are not doing any of these things.

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          • Start running town halls and hit adds where republican lawmakers run from their own constituents.

          • stop bitching about decorum or voting to censor the one guy who stood up for American democracy.

          • stop pretending like it’s the voter’s fault you lost them

          • start talking about solutions to problems rather than bitching about how awful trump is. One liners that don’t require an associates degree in economics. And focus on problems of average Americans. Not “The Economy™️”

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          This. Even if they don’t have any real power in the Senate or the House, they should be fighting and actively resisting on every front.

          Protests, occupations, or any other popular movement initiated by the people will serve nothing unless they are clearly supported by the Democrats.

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      Kind of a suicide move. Like, they let the mass murderer in, so you’re letting everyone die to spite them.

      We know that project 2025 is essentially a complete dismantling of democracy, so what the hell do they think they’ll get out of letting it happen? Aside from lined up against a wall?

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      If that were true, it’s a dumb election strategy to sit back and wait while your opponent puts an end to free and fair elections.

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        This is all on the American people now, not their so called leaders. They could start a coup, anything really. As an outsider I don’t give a shit what Obama has to say about the situation. But it would be incredibly inspiring to see the people.wake up and take back their counry

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      I dunno, man, waiting until the last minute to start trying Donald when we all know how slow the wheels of justice grind in this country doesn’t seem tooth and nail to me.

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      What world are you living in?

      They had 4 years to fight Trump and make sure he was properly tried and sentenced for his crimes and they just didn’t because they didn’t want to look like they were going after political opponents. They have actually done next to nothing to fight him.

      And the “mistake” they don’t want to interrupt is Trump deporting people to random countries, setting up a giant concentration camp in gitmo, cutting cancer research funding and making life he’ll for trans people. So maybe they SHOULD interrupt this mistake, with more than just signs.

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        Anyone with 2 ears and 2 eyes saw and heard the warnings. This is on the American people who chose not to vote their way out of this. I don’t care what they didn’t accomplish, it could’ve been cut and dry if people just voted.

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    The assumption here is that Democrats are just cowards. That is the more flattering of two options, but the less likely one.

    The other one is that they are actually quite okay with what is happening, because their masters are.

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    A screenshot of a tweet of a screenshot of a tweet put on top of a photo of a concert (?) where the person adds nothing. Why do people do this lol

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    I thought we were going to talk about 3rd parties once it’s not critical to democracy.

    When are we going to wise up and realize that people who vacillate between “I won’t vote for genocide” and “why won’t the Democrats save us!?” are a fucking opp designed to kneecap the left?

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      If you want to not kneecapping the left, you could start by not slurring progressives as “a fucking opp.”

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      There are steps that need to be taken to get third parties.

      First and foremost is the adoption of a voting system that can not only support third parties, but help them grow.

      TLDR; Fight for Approval if you just want third parties to exist and occasionally win, Fight for STAR if you want third parties to grow and become powerful.

      Now for the long part, talking about the problems with first past the post voting, and how that shapes the political discourse. Or you can watch this video.

      Also, before anyone breaks in with Ranked Choice or IRV as it’s called, you might want to read up on the flaws section here.

      And I’d write more, but the dog wants a walk, and that’s more important right now.

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        Unity centered around what? The party of the less bad? Of the horrible leadership? The party that only does one genocide? The not Trump party? The party of “we will not trash the economy”?

        I could get behind that, but this federation has not been a democracy for a while. Not when you need more states won and several would require United Nations observers if they were countries. So, in some places it’s just a lost cause.

        People need to be disabused of the notion this is a fair fight won by normal rules. New leadership and splintering is exactly what is needed.

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          Unity centered around what?

          Participation. Making things a tiny bit better when possible, and if not that, then minimizing damage.

          Making things better nationally is hard. But locally, change can be efffected — my city (San Francisco) has ranked choice voting for local offices. It’s awesome, and I vote for who I want first. It’s small, but it’s a start.

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          Your ignorance knows no bounds. Republicans vote in a block. If we split the left in the midterms, the Republicans will retain control. Simple as that.

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            I don’t see how my very well known ignorance, and what I said, have anything in common.

            I do see hackers disrupting x today. That group, whatever their motives or how well I would like them, is doing more to restore good governance than then the entirety of the Democratic Party, if you look at events today.

            What have the democrats done today? Since midnight. Tell me some stuff and I might reconsider my stance

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              They can’t do anything but filibuster in the Senate with congressional minority. The left abandoned them at the polls to prove a point, and are now complaining that they’re ineffective with no control. You need to learn about our governmental structure.

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                The left abandoned them

                Wait, the whole left? Like a block of people ? No…

                I do agree me and others should understand more about government and get involved. More than watching a few old people in capital hill doing some useless motions while the nation goes under .

                This will naturally happen if things go as expected, and I probably will not like that answer any more than you

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              INCOMING TRADE OFFER:

              You get: slower tweets for maybe a week

              They get: removing everybody’s social security, dismantling of NATO, end of federal public education funding, 20 Million (conservative estimate) people removed from Medicaid, deportation on basis of ethnicity/heritage


              We cannot settle for petty attacks on the state. We need to reclaim the state. Vote blue no matter who, any Democrat is better than any Republican.

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        Ah yes, unity. The unity of attacking third parties. Of suing candidates to remove them from the ballot. Of refusing to run a primary to learn the wishes of the party. What great unity. I’ll pass on the party of “nothing will fundamentally change” with your views of “unity” like that.

        I agree we need to come together so the left stops losing. But the democrats do not agree with that, and will actively sabotage it as much as possible. And until that changes, we’re fucked. We need a party willing to adapt to the people on the left, not republicans.

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            Literally just asking the democrats to not attack leftists, and adopt like fucking any popular leftist policies, be open to changing for the better, not simply say “sorry best we can do is trump+1”

            Of the people, it’s not a big ask. Sadly the people don’t seem to matter as much as corporations for some weird reason.

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      Every US election is called the most important election. All of them. At some point I think the only way out is to make someone lose because of their support of FPTP.

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        Mission accomplished, then. Harris losing is a statement to the world that Not-Trump isn’t good enough.

        But in doing these theatrics you’ve empowered a fascist oligarchy. Maybe it wasn’t worth it, maybe electing enough Dems to reverse citizens united and tax the rich would have been the better concession of the two.

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    the government is not here to be your friend. the government is not here to be your enemy. the government is here to ensure there is a tomorrow.

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      the government is not here to be your enemy.

      “The government” as an abstract entity might not mean to be anyone’s “enemy,” but the one currently running the show absolutely views its own people as such.

      I never set out to be anyone’s enemy. I want a peaceful life, like most people do. Yet, by doing no more than the radical act of “existing,” the current United States government has hand-picked me and others like me to be their enemies. Anyone who’s LGBTQ, female, non-white, foreign-born, science-minded, and/or financially poor is liable to be scapegoated (at best) or outright targetted by those currently in charge.

      Make no mistake - “the government” might not be here to be anyone’s enemy, but this government definitely is.

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      really funny considering they’re the ones destroying our “tomorrow”

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        Well, you see, you got a bunch of Neanderthals saying it should be run like a business, and businesses piss literally everyone off to a high degree, so here we are.

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          Running things like a business means all the money goes to the guy at the top and his buddies, and the rest should be glad they still have a job.

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      We had millions of tomorrows before governments even existed.

      Governments are here to more strictly enforce social contracts. They do this with varying levels of consent, but that is nevertheless what they do.

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        Hardly. They’re there to enforce the will of politicians, who are funded and influenced by the owning class (regardless of who voted for them once every four years).

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      Someone else posed it this way: The Democrats exist to solicit donors; getting elected sometimes is a side effect. Big money has wrecked their ability to oppose what is happening.

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      The government exists to govern you, exploit you, enslave you.

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        There’s reason to be cynical but not outright nihilistic. Also, most of that is due to corporations and lobbyists in the US.

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          No, that’s also the case in most countries. Corporations and their political influence aren’t a US-only phenomenon - they legally own almost all major media outlets around the world, along with holding influential positions in each economy which can pressure their governments into compliance. If a government doesn’t earn the general support of the owning class, it doesn’t have a realistic chance of remaining in government, either by corporations funding and endorsing alternative parties in elections, or through boss strikes to sabotage the national economy if a government they don’t like does somehow get elected (e.g. Allende in Chile). A modern government cannot survive without either the support of major corporations trying to exploit their workers, unless they empower the workers to overpower the corporations and survive off their strength instead (which, in practice, contradicts capitalism).

          Capitalism doesn’t exist without forming those corporations, so governments tending to billionaires isn’t some weird quirk, or some US phenomenon, it’s a systematic trait of capitalism which happens every time.