“Ukraine’s intelligence service says it thwarted a Russian plot to blackmail a local teenage girl into blowing up a police building by threatening to make public intimate pictures on her phone.”
wouldn’t be a problem if humanity hadn’t forced 1200 years of sexual oppression that makes you feel like your body is a filthy thing that shouldn’t be shared or touched.
then again, look at all the cool kinks we have now because people are forced into insanely creative ways to get their rocks off.
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This is why we need to end slut shaming. You can’t blackmail if there’s no shame.
I have a friend who works as a civilian in Defense. Everyone has to acquire and maintain the highest level of security clearance to keep their jobs, and travel to certain overseas countries is verboten because of the risk of foreign intelligence “honeypots”.
Apparently, a senior engineer took a holiday to China 3 months before retirement and didn’t even take the most basic precautions such as keeping quiet about his job and security clearance, so of course he got honey-potted.
He reported it when he got home and his security clearance was pulled, “No big deal, I’m retiring”.
The Chinese said they’d tell his employer what happened, “Go ahead, I already did”, and his wife, “I’m not married”. 😂
You know what’s awesome? Your friend is literally held to a higher standard than our President and the people he surrounds himself with.
Having no shame is actually a perfect tool against blackmail. Take for example the former Indonesian president Sukarno. Sukarno was delighted when the KGB told him they had a tape of him having an orgy with Russian flight attendants and asked if he could have some copies. The CIA also tried and failed to blackmail him with (fabricated) sex tapes.
Something similar happened with NHL player Jaromir Jagr. An 18 year old woman threatened to publish photos of herself in bed with him if he didn’t pay. His response was that he doesn’t care.
https://thehockeynews.com/news/jaromir-jagr-blackmailed-with-photo-could-not-care-less-about-it
See the proper way to respond to sexually explicit blackmail is a few simple words.
“Thanks for the free advertising!”
On a more serious note, theres never a good reason to comply with blackmail. for example if she did do what they asked. It would have been a hell of a lot more trouble she would be in and also it would unethical as shit.
What scummy people will do theese days sheesh. Stay safe out there!
That there is never a good reason to comply is almost certainly objectively true, for one has no leverage to force compliance with the relief offered for such compliance. However, I suspect that is nearly an impossible thing to reason through under duress.
It is like saying there is no good reason to talk when getting water boarded. Well yeah, but like… good luck with holding fast while drowning.
It is kind of interesting how that blackmail tactic becomes less effective as we get older
Now that I’m 44, if they tried that with me I’d rather people see my dick in private photos than go to prison for blowing up a building
When I was much younger and far more insecure I’m not sure how I would have handled it
I first read your comment saying that you would gather people to see your dick in private and got a chuckle out of imagining you renting out an event space to show your friends and family your frank and beans.
Hell, some of us make our stuff public on purpose. ‘ooh herp derp, look at me, I’m so evil, I’ll re-upload all your pictures and videos that were already posted to your [redacted] channel.’ please, you aren’t hurting me - you’re just making me harder. Oooh, so scary, upping the stakes and threatening thermonuclear war? Bitch I’m a millennial. End my existence daddy uwu. Go on, push the button. PUSH THE BU
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You reminded me of the attempt by the KGB to blackmail Indonesian President Sukarno by having a bunch of flight attendants have sex with him and planting cameras and microphones to record it
When he heard they recorded his sexual escapades, he was thrilled and asked for a copy of the recording.
Hell yeah. ‘where can I watch it? do you need an editor?’ :P
I would be happy that anyone is seeing my dick.
If only there was an anonymous forum where one could share material like that…
The problem is this mostly only works on girls. Guys willingly send dick pics.
This is an extremely common scam for both sexes. Guys do not willingly send dick pics to their family members, which is what the scammers threaten them with. College-aged men are the most frequent target if I’m not mistaken.
Ooof mate, are you suggesting that boys can not be extorted? Because some individuals send pics to specific people? And girls do not sense nudes…? What the fuck. How do you even think those pictures came to be?
Not the commenter you replied to, but I would say it’s more effective on women due societal biases. Of course men can be extorted with nudes too, but the same tactic will be more effective if used on a female population. There’s still an expectation for women to be modest, or at least more so than men. How often do you see women topless vs men?
In my mind, the most susceptible group for this sort of blackmail would be teenage boys or young men. They are the most likely to impulsively send nudes that get compromised, and they will be terrified at the thought of their actions going public. No one wants to be thought of as a sexual deviant by their parents / friends.
I feel like this would be much easier to attribute to “boys will be boys” than an excuse for women. The odds of being negatively judged for being a slut are significantly higher for women than they are for a man.
I’m not saying men aren’t negatively judged for these things, but if you took 100 people and showed them equally compromising pictures, my money is on more people negatively judging the woman. It’s a deep rooted societal bias.
I think the reason men are more likely to send unsolicited nudes is because there’s not going to be near as much consequence as compared to a woman. Same reason I think blackmail with nudes is likely more effective on women.
Boys have literally killed themselves over this.
At no point did I say this was ineffective at extorting men. I am saying that due to societal biases women tend to be judged (unfairly, in case that’s not clear) more than men for any given sexual activity. This makes blackmail more effective.
I would argue that women are still less likely to engage in extreme violent crimes like this one than men who are, for example, threatened to be exposed as being queer or having weird kinks. Such profiles are harder to foster but much more effective.
YOU ARE WORSE FOR SAYING OOOF LIKE THAT
but also correct
I said mostly. I did not say all
Hopefully AI will change this. In the future, when anyone claims to have such pictures you can just say it’s AI-generated nonsense 🤷
The world will have to go back to actually verifying claims.
We also need to teach our children about porn, damnit! Even if someone posts a thousand naked pictures of you to the Internet it will be lost in the sea of naked pictures. Very few will care or notice and no, future employers won’t go looking and even if they hear about it why TF would they even care? You can still do the job.
Anyone who does care that naked pictures exist is obviously lacking moral character and probably needs to re-think what’s important in life.
People already say the same about Photoshop and people already don’t believe them.
The person making claims is the one that needs to provide the evidence. Anyone spreading unverified rumors should be viewed like The Boy Who Cried Wolf.
In order for a rumor or something like naked pictures to be effective in its purpose of bringing you down or blackmailing you it must cause emotional distress. If you don’t take it seriously–or even better, don’t give a shit about what random strangers say–it can’t have power over you.
We don’t live in tiny, closely-tied villages anymore. A rumor about you may be on the Internet forever but it’ll be about as believable as a “hot singles in your area” ad and the likelihood of someone even finding it goes down over time as it gets drowned out by all the other bullshit that exists.
Even celebrities that are famous for doing stupid shit are finding that nobody remembers their past failings anymore. And they’ll have hundreds to thousands of real news articles about their idiocy out there, ready for anyone to read.
Now that is fucked up.
it’s also pretty typical russian behavior
I’m not sure saying its typical of Russians is helpful. I know two Russian people and neither of them are blackmailing kids into performing terroristic acts.
I’m not defending Russia’s government nor the attitudes of many of the country’s civilians. I also have my own biases and prejudices that I’ve been working most of my life to extinguish.
I just don’t think it’s helpful to go on the internet and write “typical X, X’s are all the same” in essentially any situation.
The GP didn’t say this to make anybody feel better. I dunno why you yould assume this is the intent. This is just how russians operate. It is the truth.
Typical of the Russian state tactics is maybe what they meant and what you are saying. It’s hard to separate the government and normal people sometimes in times of war.
I’m rewatching the handmaid’s tale right now, and that show goes into the psychological impact of living in an inhumane society. Basically (and to put it simply), it makes it difficult to be a good person, and difficult not to become a bad person, reflected in the acts people will do or not do, even if not due to evil intent but eg. simply to follow orders, to survive, or to escape their trauma.
So I’m interested in how Russians are able to keep their humanity, sense of decency etc, knowing what their country is doing to people. Then there’s the generational impact of their past, the soviet union etc. How many people can resist that pressure?
Similar in Israel/zionists where some people are barbaric, others allow evil to happen/make excuses and a relative few try to fight it.
yeah, no, of course. I get it, I just think statements like that are completely unhelpful
Was anybody trying to help you specifically or do you go around assuming everything is meant to cater to how you feel about things?
To be fair, so are statements like yours. Any bleeding heart running around crying “what about the Good Germans?” during WW2 was probably either an idiot or a fucking traitor. The “Good Germans” did nothing but go along with what Germany was doing and shrug. There was no resistance. There was no widespread insurgency. There were exceptions like Oskar Schindler, and the exception is why we still talk about him today. But on the whole most people made no attempt to betray the Reich, to save people from being put in concentration camps, to free the concentration camps, to even improve conditions in the concentration camps. They might’ve claimed they didn’t know what was going on, maybe some didn’t, but they could’ve known if they had paid any attention at all, they didn’t want to know, they didn’t try to know. They were afraid, that’s valid, but why is their fear more acceptable than the fear of the soldiers who were called up to defend their country against German invasion, who are getting shot at and bombed? There comes a point where the “Good German” just becomes a “Cowardly German” and doesn’t deserve the sympathy you’re trying to create for them.
The vast majority of Russians have done nothing to stop Putin, and that’s true of the ones who’ve fled to the west, the ones who signed up for a military payday, the ones who are farming to feed the army, the ones who are building the missiles and the bombs, the ones working on the rails and the ships that transport all this war materiel, the ones operating the oil refineries that pay the bills, the ones building the software that runs and controls all of this.
When they can tell me what specifically they’ve done to try to stop Putin, to sabotage this war and this regime, then I’ll be the judge of whether they’re indeed an actual “Good Russian”, or a “Typical Russian”. Because the “Typical Russian” has done, and continues to do, absolutely fucking nothing while thousands are dying, or worse they celebrate it. They’ll probably tell you they did that out of fear too, that they feared consequences if they didn’t celebrate it, but those kind of loyalty displays are the reasons other people feel fear, they are helping the regime to maintain its control. They’re being part of the problem. They’re not doing good things, and they don’t get a pass for being cowardly while other innocent people are dying. They don’t get to trade other people’s lives for their own safety and get away with it.
yeah look, that’s all a reasonable point of view.
I’m not trying to call you out, but I’d be curious as to what you have done personally to stand up to injustices that were doled out by the government of your own country.
I’ll also still stand by my original statement that it’s not useful to go on the internet and write “typical out-group person”, full stop.
Usually, the folks asking “what have you done?” have done nothing themselves other than pontificating online.
Canada has done some great steps towards indigenous truth and reconciliation, I’m not going to dox myself but I’ve been part of that on a local level and continue to be. It’s not hypocritical to admit that yes, my ancestors invaded another nation and genocided its people. The difference is, we’re all now on the same side saying “Don’t do that, we won’t let you do it”. We’ve done it. It’s wrong. We’re speaking from experience and trying to make a better world where this doesn’t happen anymore.
i don’t mean it’s typical of russian people, i mean it’s typical of the russian apparatus; of russia itself
yeah thats totally fair, cause it doesn’t surprise me at all either
That’s Russia!
