That and 8chan. Did we all collectively forget about 8chan? Functionally, I was hoping it would be like lemmy. It quickly turned into a place where every racist, violent, pedophile trickled into once they were deplatformed. Now they just use facebook/ Twitter.
That’s the problem with ‘deplatforming.’
The crazies migrate to another platform and then that platform gets bigger and crazier and perhaps eventually competes with the original, more mainstream platforms.
We need some sort of “immune system” to handle these extremes, deplatforming is kinda like moving the disease to another part of the body where there is no “immune system”. Defederating might create the same effect.
I don’t know how to handle it, but we might need more “normal” average people participating in a compassionate understanding way, with those that have lost their way. Because right now there are plenty of Russian bots that encourage the wildest conspiracies and world views, but also plenty of people with idle time on their hands encouraging it also.
We will meet this challenge more and more as the fediverse grows. At this moment it’s not worth the investment to spread misinformation probably.
PieFed has not merely several but MANY concepts along these lines.
Lemmy, for ah… “reasons”, seems to have none. In fact, having a modlog but no modmail, nor any type of active notification of a moderation event occuring (e.g. content removal, locking, or banning), nor any method of asking whoever removed the content why (worse: the modlog used to say the account name that did so, but now merely says “mod”), there is a very compelling argument to say that Lemmy is more authoritian than even Reddit is, at least at the end-user level (though not for instance admins or mods).
Edit: At which point PieFed’s efforts to provide democratization of moderation are like a breath of fresh air!:-) No longer must a mod+admin team be the sole arbitraters of content - users can themselves do things like filter out all, or just a little, or none of content matching certain keywords such as “Musk” or “Trump”. And icons next to usernames help alleviate the need to always block trolls - seeing that someone has an account less than two weeks old, or posts far more than they comment (unregistered bot?), or receives many more downvotes than upvotes (contentious user!) helps inform whether or how you may want to respond, while still allowing you to read their content if you should so desire. Such tools as these (and several others) put the choice of whether to see many varieties of content or not into the hands of individual users, unlike the Lemmy + Reddit model where only a mod+admin gets to decide for everyone in the community all at once. Okay so here’s another one: if you wish, you can have PieFed automatically collapse, or even hide outright (two different settings, with different filter thresholds) content that receives many downvotes. Personally I don’t like these so I turn them both off - but they still offer me that choice, which I greatly appreciate.:-)
Neutralizing a few troll farms would be a good start.
It might also be necessary to find new ways of discussion that do not favor short, emotionally impactful but factually wrong arguments so much. Our political discussions tend to have a lot of repetition all over the place anyway that is a waste of our collective time.
This isn’t about debating tactics, this is about power.
Convincing a lot of people you are correct is a form of power.
We even forgot about Twitter during Trump‘s campaign and first term. No way anyone remembers 8Chan.
Innuendo Studios, maker of The Alt Right Playbook, has an earlier series specifically on this topic in Why are you so angry.
This is great. Thanks!!
It’s very eye opening. It troubles me that now that I know what those tricks are, I can see it used in the Alt Left as well as the Alt Right, but whichever direction it is applied in, the real trick is how to spot the difference between Truth vs. Lies.
Basically, if you’re in community with a bunch of young white guys who think they own the place, you might wanna have some talks with them sooner than later.
Tbf, there are several additional factors conjoining together there, including: (1) globalization and (2) automation. This is often how young people talk (and while this particular group of people were young men, is there a doubt that young women can be equally cruel?), and all the more so when they feel like others around them are supportive of their viewpoints, even if they are halfway across the world, brought together by new technology that has never been possible in the entire history of any civilization that Earth has ever seen (that we know of!:-P). So yeah, we’re in the process of adapting. Sadly, the USA likely will not survive this innovation. And bc of the nukes, and oh yeah there’s also climate change, it’s entirely possible that nobody else will either across the globe.
And for another thing, we cannot forget that certain outside influences are at play as well, which spin not merely misinformation but active disinformation. We’ve seen it here even on Lemmy, as bOtH sIdEs SaMe just prior to the USA election, though elections all across the world are being similarly targeted (and if not, then they should be? that’s just how the game is played, when certain players are involved, i.e. according to their set of rules and ethics).
I LOVE how the Alt-Right Playbook deconstructs that. Though tbh I love most of that channel’s videos, from video game walkthroughs and I especially loved that one about Protagony irt the Blade runner movie.
I would have recommended to anyone to just start watching every video that channel has ever made. Although these days, I’m not sure that I can keep recommending such a course of action - at some point if not quite now, someone doing that inside the USA might end up arrested or deported or at least turned down or perhaps fired from existing jobs based on one’s demonstrated video watching history (see DoGE filtering rules that cast exceedingly broad nets, despite many Many MANY false positives).
But they are awesome 😎
Gamergate was at least easy to ignore. I still don’t really know what it was about. Always seemed like pointless internet drama to me. That may or may not be true but it hasn’t been a problem to stay ignorant about the topic. You can’t ignore what’s happening now unless you don’t use the internet at all and even that isn’t going to be completely effective.
Gamergate was at least easy to ignore.
Except if you’re a woman and operated in gaming spaces.
Which I’m not so yeah, it was pretty easy.
I read your comment as ‘not yet’ so i was concerned about the down votes till i reread it.
His privilege is shining brightly though.
It must be nice to have the capacity to care about everything, everywhere, all the time. That sounds like the height of privilege.
It was about incels spouting misogyny and all other imaginable forms of bigotry. It served as yet another fascism pipeline for a lot of kids.
I literally did not know about the facts of gamer gate until like two years ago. It was all Twitter bullshit, and that’s why I had no idea what it was. Some of the people involved made a living out of it is seems.
Some of the people involved made a living out of it is seems.
Like that animated chunk of rotten Spam, Bannon.
Yeah I heard some stuff about it at the time but not much. About 5 years later I started reading an article about it but only got like 2 paragraphs in before I remembered why I never paid attention to it the first time around and quit reading.
Lowtax banning hentai on something awful was the catalyst for the acceleration of fascism in the US.
At least he took the fascist’s way out.
I met a gamergate weirdo on Lemmy today
It’s crazy and sad that they still exist. That shit was a decade ago.
In a time when I read this kind of news on Gamespot or GameSpy. G4tv and a lot of convention goers that became internet famous before twitch existed. The “gamergate” news happened at the worst time in the gaming industry where game reviewers were bribed for a 10/10 clipart seal. And the shady stuff happening with cosplay cons… Etc it only concerned people in the business.
MAGA:
- Make
- America
- Gamergate
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