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A lot of people commenting clearly did not read the article.
- The US Marshalls are the only agency that stated that they were not involved (but were aware). The others just don’t have answers for the obvious questions.
- There was a warrant, with names of people that were likely previous residents.
- The family had just moved in two weeks ago. The warrant, etc was likely using outdated information.
There are a lot of problems with this operation, but let’s keep it within the facts.
five days or less and the administration will be claiming this entire family were gang members; we’ll be looking at photoshopped tattoos in no time.
Those hello kitty tattoos are a sure sign of Yakuza affiliation.
many people are saying it…
Clearly members of the Kawaii Mafia.
I heard they were PG-13
“What if I would have been armed,” she said. “You’re breaking in. What am I supposed to think? My initial thought was we were being robbed—that my daughters, being females, were being kidnapped. You have guns pointed in our faces. Can you just reprogram yourself and see us as humans, as women? A little bit of mercy. Care a little bit about your fellow human, about your fellow citizen, fellow resident. We bleed too. We work. We bleed just like anybody else bleeds. We’re scared. You could see our faces that we were terrified. What makes you so much more worthier of your peace? What makes you so much more worthier of protecting your children? What makes you so much more worthy of your citizenship? What makes you more worthy of safety? Of being given the right that they took from me to protect my daughters?”
This is the most important part of the article, in my eyes. These are the questions they should be asking ICE and Trump and the paper mache base, covered with flags but empty on the inside.
She said she has no idea who to contact to get her things back.
Marissa told KFOR the U.S. Marshal’s Service and the FBI were involved in this raid.
However, a representative for the U.S. Marshal’s Service says their team was not involved.
News 4 reached out to the FBI. Last week, a spokesperson said they were assisting on this case and directed inquiries to Homeland Security.
Late Tuesday, the FBI told KFOR they were not on the scene. They instructed KFOR to contact Homeland Security, and we did.
A spokesperson for Homeland Security told News 4 they are looking into it and will get back to us, but we have not heard from them.
There is literally no way to even confirm these aren’t random thieves and thugs. But even if they aren’t, I guarantee entrepreneurial-minded thieves and thugs know they can do the same now.
This is why we have uniforms and badges and laws preventing non-police from wearing those things. Not that that prevented excess, but it at least confirmed who you could sue if your rights were violated. The fact that these ICE thugs think for a second they can enter homes or arrest people wearing balaclavas and no clear identification is absurd and alone deeply dystopian.
funny how no one seems to know who those goons were or who to ask about it, but in a different situation, if those chickenshit scumbags were to, um… “go missing” during a bullshit warrantless raid – better believe you’d see their department head on tv the next day listing their names, ranks, “in the line of duty” etc etc
My initial thought was we were being robbed
once again gut instinct is right!
The president’s private militias systematically terrorize the working class. There’s nothing left. We’ll find out the full extent of what they’ve done once the regime collapses under its own weight. If these are the stories getting out, what ones haven’t gotten out yet.
Who gave them an incorrect warrant? What was it for? What’s the point of listing names on a warrant if you ignore them? Why is every department claiming they weren’t involved? Why were they collecting evidence from people not involved or listed on the warrant?
What exactly are any of us supposed to do if this happens?
- there probably wasn’t a warrant
- there probably wasn’t a warrant
- there probably wasn’t a warrant
- there probably wasn’t a warrant
- spite is the point, and there probably wasn’t a warrant
- they have taken away every avenue of peaceful resistance. Their goal is for us to arm up and resist with violence so that they can declare martial law. Even though this is their plan and what they want, eventually we will have no other option. I won’t put my thoughts on the specifics of that here
I am armed. The first ICE agent to knock on my door doesn’t go home. And we roll from there. Fuck this.
I’m armed too, but I think you would probably end the day in a bag, maybe a metal locker with a long pull-out shelf.
Ice are trained like russian mobiks and your home is a forteress. You can probs surrender to swat and get away scot free. If things are too bad you can always plead 2nd amendment.
Rather go down swinging than get disappeared to Venezuela.
From a German point of view, ICE came out of nowhere.
After checking, i figured that they exist for quite a while, but they never had the “authority” and “power” they like to show off nowadays. These were things Trump gave them.
They seem pretty much unhinged.
Are they even trained for the things they are doing or is it more comparable to trump giving a mediocre security agency and it’s mostly scummy staff the power to do what they want?
ICE training is famously brief. They are not trained in laws or legal structures. They are effectively federal local cops, if that makes sense (it probably doesn’t since you’re German, so let me try to explain it a different way)
In the United States many police departments prefer police officers without college education or strong critical thinking skills. ICE is one of them. ICE officer agents are selected for their tendency towards violence and a willingness to execute orders without fail or question. The goal is for them to simply not be able to incriminate themselves in a court of law by way of they simply didn’t know the law. The further goal is that when the right circumstances arrive they’ll just follow orders with a near mad sense of duty without any form of ethics getting in the way of stopping them.
To really drive home for you who ICE is, as a German. ICE is a bunch of Adolf Eichmanns all running around with big high capacity guns and zip ties
That’s exactly the impression i had.
The goal is for them to simply not be able to incriminate themselves in a court of law by way of they simply didn’t know the law.
Ignorance of the law is not a defense unless you are enforcing the law.
Classic rules for thee but not for me type shit
Moreover every time they do these hiring pushes they end up with handfuls of cartel members that just open gates to their friends, help with murder so on and so forth. They made it so much easier to get in now that they lowered hiring standards and reduced background checks.
I am a millennial, and I am older than ICE, and credit scores - for what that’s worth. edit: not all credit scores, just the way we understand them now, thank you for the correction!
Credit scores have been around since the '50s. Maybe you’re thinking of what is specifically the FICO score.
yea, I think you must be right. thank you for the correction. I’m not that old quite yet, just feeling that way.
You and me both.
credit scores have been around a long time. it just used to be secret bullshit, not something you can literally track in realtime yourself like today. (it’s still mostly secret bullshit, they just let you see a ‘score’ now).
you’re right! thank you : )
A relatively unbiased answer to your questions:
FACTS
ICE does not distinguish much between applicants who have completed high school and applicants with college education. Like the US military, most applicants do not have college degrees.
The lengthy application process and rigorous training historically rejects over 70% of prospective agents.
Training is at an academy with mandatory residence requirements. It’s 40 hours a week for 18 weeks and includes physical fitness, Spanish language, defensive maneuvers, de-escalation techniques, extensive federal law, weapon skills, and cultural training. There are several exams, and many new hires don’t complete training. Everyone has to be pepper-sprayed in order to understand how serious it is, and it is emphasized that use of force is always a last resort.
After graduation, new ICE agents serve a one year probationary period while being paired with a seasoned agent, for a more effective means of training.
OPINION
There is a hierarchy within federal law enforcement agencies; generally speaking, ICE agents are the least respected. The recent behavior of ICE agents is absolutely a reflection of the Trump administration.
https://www.ice.gov/doclib/about/offices/ero/pdf/ice_d_handbook.pdf
Thanks for the PDF.
I guess, things like cultural training and de-escalation techniques will soon be replaced with cult training and escalation techniques, respectively.
When i was 10 and home alone, i found pepper spray in my moms bag. I understood right there how serious it is. I did what any 10 year old kid would do, but luckily didn’t spray it straight in my face. I sprayed it around like an air refresher and the moment i got some sprinkles on my face, in my eyes, i knew i fucked up.
Next they’ll be quartering soldiers in your house. Not because they need to, just because they’re trying to make sure they knock out the entire bill of rights within a year.
So, all I need to rob whoever I want is to get some men, some guns, some lore ipsum warrants, and call myself ice.
I almost hope this is what that was… it would make a bit less horrible. Not by much tho.
Extra splash of fucked up that the article was updated to confirm there’s no fundraiser set up, crowd funding in an attempt to remedy these kinds of legal/social failures just the norm
Fucking gICEtapo at it again.
At this point, shooting them on sight is justifiable
Stazi fucks.
Its like a federal version of the shield.
Not trying to blame victims here but there are reasons you don’t keep your life savings in cash. Civil forfeiture has been around for a long time
Civil forfeiture covers bank accounts too, so your point is moot.
Not trying to blame victims
You are doing exactly that.
Not to be an asshole, but…
Is an asshole.
Not to be racist, but…
Is racist.
Not to be [shitty human traits], but…
Is [shitty human trait].
I dislike it when people do that. You can’t excuse your wrongness by admitting you’re wrong beforehand…
Next you’ll tell me that suggesting to look both ways before crossing the road is blaming the victims of traffic incidents.
Your comment was completely needless, not wrong.
And people here are projecting their anxiety about the situation towards an unimportant comment rather than at the people who are the real criminals here. It shows immaturity.
Pretty sure people are capable of calling out your victim blaming bullshit and acknowledging who the real criminals are at the same time. If the comment is unimportant to you just admit you were wrong and move on instead of making ridiculous arguments like this.
I accept that some here think I was wrong. I disagree. It was also not worth the effort anyone has put into this conversation.
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They took their wallets, cell phones, laptops, funds.
You can’t log back into your bank without 2fa in a lot of cases.
You can’t get a replacement SIM or phone without ID, and money.
You need several forms of ID to get anything from your bank if your card is missing.
They just moved weeks ago from another state and may not have had a local bank yet.
The mother asked for a business card or some sort of paperwork to try to get their stuff back or at least know who to talk to, ICE refused.
They took the mom, and adolescent daughters out of the house in underwear, wouldn’t let them get dressed, possibly cause ICE believed they would hide any illegal immigrants in their vaginas? Unsure.
Instead of looking at the situation and coming to the logical conclusion that the people are not involved, they were fucking disgusting wannabe Stasi police, making America great one traumatized little girl at a time.
I fully agree with you and think that this is the logical consequence of fascist thinking. This event is unconscionable and I presume that there is a line of lawyers waiting to offer their services. They will be made whole and then some…eventually. I feel terrible for the trauma they gave gone through.
