• SCB@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    So you have a source on why you believe these are unhealthy?

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      They’re pure sugar water and caffeine. I drink them but do you honestly think there is a chance they are healthy in any possible way?

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        No? I mean it’s a decent source of B vitamins and taurine, but cmon.

        But I don’t think chocolate is healthy and I let my kids have chocolate sundaes sometimes too.

        I don’t see why teaching my children moderation could ever be seen as bad.

        FWIW I don’t normally allow my 8 year old to drink pop (friends birthdays are about it) but my 17 year old having a large Starbucks coffee once or twice a week was not a big deal to me.

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          That all seems reasonable, but none of this was alluded to in your previous comment and it gave the implication that you were suspicious of energy drinks being labeled “unhealthy.”

          Also I think there are benefits with chocolate. It’s the sugary Hersheys type chocolate that is nothing but empty calories.

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        Yeah I wouldn’t recommend people drink 3 of these controversial energy drinks per day, both for health and financial reasons.

        From your link:

        Up to 400 milligrams (mg) of caffeine a day appears to be safe for most healthy adults. That’s roughly the amount of caffeine in four cups of brewed coffee, 10 cans of cola or two “energy shot” drinks.

        1/3rd of that consumed by a teenager really doesn’t seem that scary, and the page you linked agrees.

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          Energy drinks (EDs) are sweetened beverages that contain multiple stimulants such as caffeine, guarana, or taurine.

          The results of this study reveal that the consumption of a single, bodyweight-adjusted ED dosage is linked with a significantly higher median 24-h SBP (+5.26 mmHg) and DBP (+3.45 mmHg), compared to a placebo beverage, in healthy children and adolescents. A meta-analysis by Conen et al. suggests that an increase of 10 mmHg in 24-h SBP is connected with a 27% higher risk for cardiovascular events.38 In addition, a population-based study by Hansen et al. indicates that an increase of 5 mmHg in 24-h DBP is associated with a 27% higher risk for cardiovascular disease.39 Therefore, the ED-induced alterations in the pediatric 24-h blood pressure profile displayed in this study can be considered alarming.

          Moreover, chronic ED consumption could result in arterial hypertension and hence increased left ventricular afterload, ultimately leading to left ventricular dysfunction and hypertrophy.16 A previous publication conducted by our department reported a significantly lower cardiac efficiency after acute ED consumption in healthy children and adolescents.16 Furthermore, many EDs contain high amounts of sugar and thus “empty” calories. Chronic ED consumption could therefore lead to the onset of glucose metabolism disorders and aggravate weight gain. As ED consumption is associated with a shorter sleep duration,32 it might additionally increase cardiovascular risk.35 In summary, children and adolescents, particularly those with elevated cardiovascular morbidity (e.g., arterial hypertension, diabetes, excess weight), should be discouraged from consuming EDs. Moreover, minors should be made aware of the potential health risks of excessive ED intake as well as responsible ED consumption behaviors.

          Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41390-023-02598-y

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            The administered ED dosage was bodyweight-adjusted (3 mg caffeine per kilogram of bodyweight) and reflected the maximum daily caffeine intake for healthy children and adolescents as proposed by the EFSA

            Yeah I wouldn’t let my kid have that much caffeine for sure.

            For my waifish daughter, that’s around 200mg of caffeine which seems really high, outside of what the average person consumes.

            By comparison, I’m cool with my kid having about half that, or approximately 1 Monster/Large coffee, once she’s a late teen.

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        That’s 1/3 less caffeine than in a 16oz iced coffee from Dunkin Donuts, and a large is 32oz.

        I’m not arguing to give large coffees to 8 year olds but rather that this isn’t as much caffeine as people think it is

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          One argument I could see is that energy drinks are super sweet and sugary (not to mention cheeper) and on top of that they have bunch of cool flavors. While coffee is more off-putting

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            coffee is more off-putting

            It straight up offends me to concede this point lol

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          Coffee is ilegal for children in most countries, so thease should be as well, but you have a point.