Urge to pirate, rising…
I’ve downloaded software that I had paid for, simply because of the bullshit involved with DRM, licence unlocking, etc.
If the user experience of a paid software or service is inferior to a pirated version, then the developers are doing something wrong.
Same. At a minimum, I remember having to d/l no-CD cracks to get around the annoying and totally unnecessary disc DRM (that required you to insert the disc, just to prove you had it).
While the CD checks are absolutely annoying, nothing, and I mean nothing, was more inconvenient than having to go to a certain page and a certain line and a certain word in the manual to unlock a program you paid for. Fucking infuriating.
Shuddderr. I remember the first time I saw a game do that, I thought oh what a fun little game I guess it’s to get me to use the manual… like some kind of ARG, but when I realized the real purpose all the joy was sucked out of it.
Necessity*
Or you could always just not play the game? Is that not an option?
But I’m already doing that. I want to do my part to dissuade bad software practices.
Who am I kidding I’m just going to keep working through the Cacowards forever.
Earlier this year, I got a game I liked on steam. Pretty much 3d Rimworld. After playing for 20 hours over a few weeks, I sporadically started getting errors about me having “no hardware activations” left for the game, and how I should wait 24 hours. I have never installed it on any other machine.
It is so very silly that a pirated copy would be the more seamless experience.
+1 tell us the title
As someone guessed above - Stranded: Alien Dawn
What’s the game?
Kenshi is the only 3D Rimworld like game I know and wouldn’t do anything like this.
Probably Alien Dawn, it’s basically a 3D Rimworld clone
Yup, Stranded: Alien Dawn.
Same here, but “3D Rimworld” piqued my interest.
Refund and wait for a crack. Fuck Denuvo and fuck Bethesda for using them
It’s not really Bethesda anymore though is it? Either ID software or Microsoft, no?
I completely forgot Microsoft bought Bethesda lol explains a lot
Yet more evidence that the smartest thing you can do if the game comes from a AAA studio is hold off on buying it for 6-12 months.
If the game comes with Denuvo, never, ever buy it.
I think the point is that they often eventually remove Denuvo and it becomes a moot point.
My point is that companies that use it are anti-consumer scum and should be actively boycotted.
Companies like Sega and Ubisoft never remove it, and in the case of Ghostwire Tokyo, Bethesda added it nearly a year after release, pulling a bait-and-switch on PC gamers that would never have it bought it otherwise.
These companies demonstrate that will steal your purchase from you whenever they feel like it. They do not deserve anyone’s money, not even 6-12 months later at 90% off.
If a company uses Denuvo, don’t give them money. Because that’s what you’re doing. You aren’t buying anything, you are just giving them money.
Yeah, they pay fees to keep Denuvo in the game. So they only usually use it for the first 6-12 months, (long enough to capture the initial surge of launch sales), and then remove it to stop paying the fees.
I remember when their DRM was just telling you that you’d go to HELL if you pirated it.
🥺 pwease money?
Meanwhile, DRM-free Doom (2016) is here, it also runs quite good >>> https://www.gog.com/en/game/doom_2016
with good music too
All this drm nonsense ever does is punishes the paying customers and maybe delays cracked version by a few days, but fucking pencil pushers still put it into everything.
maybe delays cracked version by a few days
Denuvo has not been cracked since 2023. The only pirated copies of Doom Eternal were using a leaked denuvo-free build until Bethesda removed denuvo entirely 3 years after release, and unfortunately they didn’t leak a denuvo-free build this time, so you are probably going to have to wait a couple of years or so.
well cheaters sure do ruin online games…
That’s anticheat, not drm
i know
Only way for this to change is to vote with your (virtual) feet and wallet and “cancel” games that have DRM, in my opinion.
Good luck, there is DRM on almost every peace of software you buy. Most of it you never notice but it is there. I am guessing
IdBethesdaMicrosoft went a little too hard on their DRM and didn’t learn from EAs blunder. We will probably have another Spore situation here and its becomes going to become the number one pirated game of 2025. Or maybe not, the last Doom game wasn’t that great and I am assuming this one is trash too.There are a lot of indie/open games that are DRM-free. I refuse to think all good games are the ones with DRM
One of Steam’s selling point to developers is that it has easy DRM tools for them to use. Bethesda probably added their own DRM on top of Steam’s. But no for profit company is going to let you pirate software they spent thousands or millions to developed.
GoG has DRM-free games: https://www.gog.com/en/about_gog
Gog also doesn’t have nearly as many games.
Shows how much, most companied wont want to give you DRM free stuff.
Who knows, maybe they are gaining side-revenue, selling your memory scans.
Oh no?
Yes, and I don’t know what you are trying to say.
With EA and Spore - SecuROM was a straight up root kit. Basically malware. Pretty sure on the Sims 2 forums there were people who had their computers bricked. (Sims 2 was already messy enough to reinstall sometimes, EA did lots of weirdness with the registry.)
Sony did something similar with music CD’s. Their elaborate scheme to prevent you from ripping your CD’s more than three times or whatever created a vulnerability that was actively exploited by malware developers.
you aren’t buying doom because it has denuvo. im not buying doom because i am boycotting microsoft products. we are probably a little similar
Also it’s $80 fucking dollars for the base edition. Everyone complaining about Nintendo game pricing but Doom gets a pass apparently.
Fuck Microsoft. They enshittify everything and they support a genocide by helping to select targets to murder. No game is worth supporting this.
Microsoft isn’t the only company helping Israel target children and women especially in there favourite location hospitals.
How is this response remotely relevant to the comment you’re responding to?
Youre acting like we should only boycott Microsoft and there games because theyre supporting it but a lot of companies could have stakes in gaming companies and support the genocide its a team effort from NATO to support Israels genocide.
Youre acting like we should only boycott Microsoft
The thread is about a Microsoft product, so of course they’re going to discuss Microsoft specifically
Well, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, as they say. Literally anything you buy, there could be a shareholder who is evil. But y’gotta vote with your wallet, and so it makes a bigger impact to boycott companies that are directly involved, rather than ambiguous or strenuous connections.
This is true but Microsoft is the one which made the BDS list for being most responsible.
Aside from screwing Linux users, they’re also screwing AMD users with forced ray-tracing + broken FSR, and I’d imagine there’s also a lot of overlap there.
Even amd users are suffering like Linux users Microsoft got no chill 💀
I have FSR working (Win10+ AMD 7900XTX), but it’s obvious that they have screwed the pooch in optimization.
I just finished Doom: Eternal yesterday before the Dark Ages came out and it ran fully maxed out at 1440p @ 240 FPS without upscaling and was gorgeous.
Dark Ages looks pretty much the same as Eternal, but runs at 120-144 FPS.
That’s still absolutely playable but how did it lose 50% performance in an IDTech game?
How did you get it working? I’m getting like 40 FPS over here.
You have to enable HDR in the Windows 10 settings, do Win+I, type “HD Color”, and then set your AMD display drivers to “Color Correction” in Display to adjust for the bad Win10 HDR implementation.
My recommendation is:
Temperature: 10000
Brightness: -10
Hue: 0 (default)
Contrast: 120
Saturation: 165
Then enable HDR in Dark Ages, followed by FSR and Frame Gen, if you want.
HDR is the key.
Oh I don’t have Windows. But I’ll look into the HDR stuff, I usually leave it off.
how did it lose 50% performance in an IDTech game?
One game has Denuvo, the other doesn’t.
Oh holy shit.
I think you’re actually right, it’s probably Denuvo tanking performance
i wanted to buy it because i know it will be good.
but ill pirate it instead as soon as its cracked. thanks ill save myself the money, you fucks.
it won’t be cracked, you have to hope the devs leak the drm-free version
I never buy/install games with Denuvo. Guess it will be a while before I’m playing this.
Thanks to this news, there will be a version without Denuvo quite quickly. 🏴☠️
Didn’t fall for it, even when they whisper sweet little lies in my ear, I just say to myself, I quit gaming. I’m done. If I can’t own it, I ain’t playing it. And now I just joined the class war. Because you know, there is no war but the class war.
I can’t own it, I’m pirating it.
If I can’t own, I pwn.
If even not that, perhaps you can look into [wning
Denuvo identifies a user opening a game with multiple versions of Proton as multiple machines. It thinks that’s piracy and locks the user out of the game
Seems like it should be an easy patch, right? Assuming they have any desire to (I think it “runs” on Steam Deck, so that might be enough incentive)
Denuvo’s whole schtick is that your unique system environment gets used as a part of the “unlocking key” of sorts, so it would definitely not be simple. For example windows users face the same issue with denuvo whenever windows updates, although obviously that doesn’t happen often enough to be an actual issue.
Actually, I think that might be harder than you’d imagine, at least as things work right now
Valve would probably need something in the Proton API to help ensure programs don’t think each version is a different PC as that is kinda the point of how Wine/Proton work (by creating a fake virtual PC and running things through that), or change how prefixes are handled so that all proton versions default to the same prefix (which would have other issues im sure)
None of which would be a problem if they just exported the game from their software into a native Linux format, of course. Doom runs on Unreal, yeah? Should take 0 effort to make a native Linux version of the game, but they won’t
