Oh I think I know how this will end.
I get gun enthusiasm. Like, as a hobby. Those folks that hang out at the range are as nerdy as the folks that hang out at the model airplane club. This isn’t for them. This is for the baddies. It’s strange considering that Trump had a close attempt on his life involving a gun with iron sights. You would think he would want to be the last person involved in approving more effective people killers.
All the other kids with their pumped up kicks
Sandy Hook 2 Electric Boogaloo. I can feel nothing but sorrow for the children of america’s education system. Forget not Columbine, Sandy Hook, Uvalde, Virginia Tech, Parkland, Texas Tower, Red Lake, or Santa Fe.
Wasn’t the bump stock banned by Trump after the Vegas shooting? Then unbanned under Biden?
Supreme Court unbanned it 6-3. Not really Biden’s call.
I said unbanned under Biden. I didn’t say he actually did it.
Sure, but “under” implies he had authority over the decision.
It shouldn’t. That’s not how it works.
It does when your preceding statement references a Trump decision, because that’s how rhetoric works
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“Then unbanned by the Supreme Court during Biden” would do just fine
Noted.
Yes. Trump is not actually friendly to gun rights.
If he was, he’d be pushing to get the Hearing Protection Act (HR 404) and the Stop Harassing Owners of Rifles Today (HR 2395) out of committee and to the floor for a vote.
Biden wasn’t friendly to gun rights either. I don’t think most politicians are friendly to gun rights, since if they actually managed to expand them to what they should be, they wouldn’t have any major issue remaining to campaign on.
Sure. But this isn’t a bump stock. It’s a forced reset trigger that was just unbanned… Which is insane. It essentially converts semi automatic weapons to automatic weapons.
But it doesn’t.
An automatic firearm shoots multiple bullets each time you pull the trigger, until you release the trigger; the trigger does not reset.
With most semi-automatic guns, you have a light spring that resets the trigger once you release your finger. A forced reset trigger (FRT) forces the trigger to reset. The FRT pushes the trigger forward, even if you’re trying to keep the trigger pulled back. If you keep tension on your finger, as soon as it’s reset, you’re pulling it again. So, legally, you are pulling the trigger multiple times, because the trigger is resetting each time a bullet is fired.
Based on the way that a machine gun is defined in the National Firearms Act of 1934, an FRT is not a machine gun. The ATF can’t re-write the law to say what they want it to say; that requires an act on congress.
The is compounded by the fact that Rare Breed ran the idea by the ATF before they went into production, and they have/had a memorandum from the ATF saying that an FRT was not a machine gun, and not subject to the NFA. After they had approved it, and *after Rare Breed had produced and sold a few hundred/thousand, the ATF raided Rare Breed, and also showed up at customer’s homes demanding items that the customers had legally purchased (e.g., unreasonable search and seizure, a 4A violation).
Machine guns have been illegal in the United States since 1986, a notion that even gun rights groups have come to accept.
This is… Not true. The Firearm Owners Protection Act–among other things–made it illegal to transfer automatic firearms manufactured after '86 (i.e., “post ban”) to non-police/military people. Machine guns produced prior to '86 that were already in the hands of non-police/military people can still legally be own and bought/sold. A pre-ban select-fire AR-15 will run about $30k+ these days.
Secondly, there are a number of groups and people still actively fighting to overturn the NFA as being a violation of 1A. There was a case out of the 5th circuit (?) not that long ago that points out the circular logic of the gov’t in re: machine guns. E.g., per Heller, guns in common use can’t be banned, and machine guns aren’t in common use, so they can be banned. But they aren’t in common use because they were largely banned by the gov’t. The gov’t created the condition of them not being in common use by banning them, and then used the lack of common use–due to the ban–as justification for the legality of the ban.
There’s a WW2 reenactor I know with a Jeep with a working quad M2 (the do it yourself version of the M45 anti-aircraft emplacement which is a quad M2 but with fancier production). $450k for the whole thing.
Machine guns (and tanks) are legal for the rich.
You see, this thread is where I first learned of the FRT (Forced reset Trigger), I had no idea such a device existed until now. The only device I had known before was the bump stock which is what I thought it was.
In other countries they sell modified versions of these handguns that cannot be made into machine guns with a switch. This is the real solution, but for some reason gun manufacturers can do no wrong in the US and are not held to higher safety standards.
In Belgium, of all places, you can buy fully auto weapons from shops with just a collectors license.
Do you have evidence to support that? Because AFAIK, the Glocks made both in the US and Austria have exactly the same design. OTOH, in most of Europe, it’s very difficult to get the appropriate license for a handgun, so it’s largely irrelevant.
Glocks sold in Europe are designed not to work with switches. This is common knowledge.
“Glock is profiting by continuing to sell the adaptable version in U.S. markets, even as they make and sell handguns in Europe that cannot accommodate such a switch.”
Do you have evidence to support your claims or should I just block you now?
Edit: A quick look through you comments shows you are definitely a gun nut. Hard pass on discussing anything with your denialist guns r gud mentality.
Hard pass on discussing anything with your denialist guns r gud mentality
Yeah, isn’t is strange that someone doesn’t want the state to have the monopoly on violence, and believes in civil rights? Weird, right?
From your article:
“Platkin said Glock is profiting by continuing to sell the adaptable version in U.S. markets, even as they make and sell handguns in Europe that cannot accommodate such a switch.”
This is something I've having a really hard time finding a source on. Everything I can find says that that about half of the Glock pistols that are sold in the US are made in Austria. And, as I said, sales in Europe for pistols are very tightly controlled, meaning that very few pistols--relatively speaking--are getting into the hands of anyone other than cops and military, so I'm not sure that there's a strong motive for them to make the design alteration in the EU. Aside from the assertion from New Jersey's AG, I just can't find a source for that. I'm not saying that it doesn't exist, and, if the AG is correct, then yes, Glock should change their design in the US. There's already precedent for this; open bolt semi-automatic firearms manufactured after 1986 are banned because they can--in general--be readily converted to full auto. However, given how many Glocks currently exist in the US, that would be an enormous legal mess that could possibly result in the National Firearms Act being declared unconstitutional.“Also known as “auto switches,” the devices, which are already illegal in New Jersey and some other states, […]”
They’re illegal in EVERY state; it covered under federal law, specifically the National Firearms Act (1934) and Firearm Owners Protection Act (1986). Even if it was legal in New Jersey, it would still be a felony to possess or use one.
Good luck kids going to school in the United States
There are plenty of untrained idiots that will end shooting up a ceiling or the sky.
I’m sure kids that are still in high school, specifically, are overjoyed at the news.
Maybe if the ATF wasn’t so terrible and sloppy and did things that made sense and did things legally we could have some sensible gun laws.
You’re catching strays but your 100% right. The ATF is extremely ineffective, and are an actual road block in getting meaningful shit done! They like being unsupervised and shooting people’s dogs, like any other cop.
They’re awful regardless of your gun control beliefs.
Kinda what I meant. I’m a big gun lover, but also believe we need better rules. I actually walked into an Atwoods in Arkansas a few weeks ago, and an elderly farmer type was asking the gun counter what he needed to do to sell his gun to a friend. The clerk correctly told him “nothing” and the old farmer type guy responded “That don’t seem right.” So there are many more of us, even if some aren’t terminally online.
It’s not up to the ATF to make laws; congress is supposed to do that.
Also, “sensible” gun control is functionally no different from “sensible” abortion restrictions. If you want to fix gun violence, fix the problems that lead up to it. If you want to stop abortions, it’s easier to teach factual sexual health and make sure that everyone has free access to birth control.
Thank goodness, now I can defend my home against tyranny and people who look different than me with a pseudo-machine gun, just the way the Founding Fathers intended! (/s just in case)
Because why not?!
at least they haven’t resticted sales to registered republicans…
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Full auto weapons should be legal. Only idiots think full auto weapons are more dangerous. If someone is going to try using full auto during a crime all that will happen is the weapon will pull to the side and expend all it’s ammo in a few seconds. There is a reason why the military changed to semi auto/burst rifles as the standard.
Hey cool, the magazine will be empty before people can get to safety!
The mag will be empty and there is no way possible that they hit anything that was being shot at. People that think fully auto weapons are easy to fire have never even seen one fired in real life. After 2-3 rounds it is already pulling to the side. They are not just inaccurate, they are impossible to shoot accurately.
Your argument only really holds water against a single target. Go full auto in a stadium and let the recoil take you to the top rows. Accuracy won’t matter
Go full auto in a stadium and it will pull up and you will shoot the ceiling, or it will pull down and you will shoot the ground and maybe your leg. You might get lucky and it will lurch to the right, you will either fight it to get it back to the center or let it spin you like a top. By the time you have fought the autofire back to center it will have chosen a new direction to pull … good luck. You will do this 2-3 times and then the clip will be empty.
Life is not a movie or videogame. Autofire really sucks ass unless you are an absolute pro at it and have a great deal of practice. Those who would put in that much practice with auto fire would be smart enough to realize that 3 shot bursts are way more accurate and waste far less ammo.
Remember gang, if your ID has an l, g, b, t, or q on it you qualify as desperately in need of guns.
Every driver’s Licence with daTe of Birth and orGan donor has LGBT on it.
I just wish I had a gay gun owning friend who could go to the gun store with me. I know what I want, I just like hand holding.
If you’re in the Kansas area, hit me up, I’ll go in drag if you ask nice lol
No need, seriously don’t buy at a gun store. Buy online and ship it to your big box store FFL, and then go pick up there.
Hmmm
Internet credit card purchase,
Or
Backwoods shack cash purchase.
Hmmm.
Shit, you can buy guns at gas stations in my neck of the woods.
I buy most of mine used locally via our state gun forum. Most states have one, just go on there look around, meet up, pay cash, show CCW and done.
I’ve yet to purchase a firearm that was “used up”. Most I buy people put a few hundred rounds through them at best.
In my area. Thanks!
That’s an awesome resource you just whipped out
Well, crap, I’m not gay, but I’ll hold your hand. :) What do want? That’s the interesting thing about guns, there is such a VARIETY for different purposes. Self defense, home defense, small/medium/big game hunting are all completely different.
If I’m going to raise my Kinsey scale a point or two for just a moment, there’s also the aesthetic to consider. I’m not ashamed to admit I’ve bought a gun that made me go “Ooooohhh”.
For example, when my dad died one of the guns I inherited was this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Standard_Derringer
And I’m like “Ok, that’s adorable, but in .22 it’s useless.” Also known to be problematic. Sometimes only one barrel would fire.
But I liked the idea so I bought one of these:
https://www.bondarms.com/bond-arms-handguns/ranger-ii/
.45LC/.410 shotgun shells
OK, that’s adorable but in .22 it’s useless
I’ll tell you what the guy that taught me used to say, " 22 or 50, no one laughs at being held at gunpoint. "
Stopping power is, for the most part a myth. I love 22 because if cheap, it’s light, and the guns feel nicer in my hand. My bud uses 9mm glocks because he describes them as the “iPhone of guns” you do you boo, just make sure your Deringer has a trigger guard, that’s just good safety.
All true, but a .22 carbine rifle is way different from a 2 shot .22 Derringer with effectively no barrel and no sites with a bonus defect which may cause one of the two shots to misfire.
For .22? Give me this:
https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/golden-boy/
Of course, I already have the big brother in .44 Magnum. :)
Not only is 22lr weak compared to most other rounds, the fact that it is rimfire makes it less reliable. If you want a similar power to 22lr in a defense caliber, go with .25acp.
While you’re right on all regards, I feel you missed the point of the post.
You are practically down the street from me.
Well, come on over, we’ll hang out! :) If you’re looking for a safe gun shop I can reccomend two:
East side:
West side:
This is so real! I literally bought a knockoff ksg for $150 drink one night cause I was like “oooooo space scattergat!” I have shot it twice in two years, cause it weighs like 3 pounds and I can’t tell the difference between a cheap bird shot shell or a 3 inch magnum slug.
Nothing wrong with the KSG, but for me? I dig the old school Mossberg Shockwave w/ wood furniture. ;)
I know that polymer is lighter and cheaper, but wood on guns always looks so nice.
Does this guy feed those aguila shorty shells? And that is beautiful!
You have to insert a rubber adapter to make them fit, but it does!
https://opsolmini-clip.com/product/opsol-mini-clip-2-0-flex/
Bonus:
https://opsolmini-clip.com/product/hater-tots-velcro-patches/
My plate carrier just got new flair! Slightly less colorful than current ones, but welcome none the less.
I really like the idea of a 410 handgun, but I live in NY.
.410 handguns are tricky in a lot of states because they’re smoothbore, so they get classified as a short barreled shotgun and are considered illegal, the Bond Arms one above included.
Totally legal here, cross over into California? Yeah, not so much!
I inherited a NAA-22lr. It literally fits in the palm of my hand.
They make a purple one now, which is cute: https://www.northamericanarms.com/shop/naa-22lr-orchid/
Even a .22 can kill someone.
That’s really cool, but I have to admit I can’t immediately figure out how that trigger works…
Better to hit with .22 than miss with a .357. The US Special Forces have been using .22 LR Ruger pistols, with silencers, since the Vietnam War.
The gay gun, like a ray gun. I think they sell it at sharper image
The history on this is interesting
Trump banned bump stocks as a reaction to the Vegas massacre.
Then the supreme court ruled that unconstitutional.
https://www.npr.org/2024/06/14/g-s1-2929/supreme-court-bump-stocks
Now the trump admin is going to permit more things like the bump stock to be sold legally. Specifically, something that makes a semi automatic gun fire much more rapidly.
Would be a very Trumpian thing if he lost the civil uprising because of this decision.
This really wouldn’t make a difference. It isn’t hard to bend a coat hanger or drill a third hole.
Also, FRTs and bump stocks are really just range toys.
