• SJ_Zero@lemmy.fbxl.netEnglish
    33·
    1 year ago

    That’s great and imma let you finish but remember that decentralization is strength on the fediverse. Join or create other instances, join or create communities on other instances, thats our strength.

    On the fediverse, instances come and go. I’ve seen big instances go down either permanently or temporarily, and ive also seen big communities decide they’re turning off federation. The only way to be safe from that is to decentralize, so if something happens there’s still something worth doing on the fediverse.

    Besides that though, congratulations lemmy.world, I love to see the thrediverse Renaissance we’re in, and nothing but love for the folks running this instance and the folks participating on it.

  • Negative_Pair_5694@kbin.social
    241·
    1 year ago

    Also lemmy.world is extremely slow in pushing out messages to other instances, if at all. So leading the pack is not necessarily the best thing until you figure out scaling.

    • terribleplan@lemmy.nrd.liEnglish
      91·
      1 year ago

      Yeah, they should really consider not accepting new users until that is figured out, honestly. There are plenty of servers out there that people can join at this point. Too much centralization in a decentralized system for my liking regardless of instance scaling.

    • UrbenLegend@lemmy.ml
      6·
      1 year ago

      Yeah, I’ve been missing a ton of comment replies from lemmy.world and it’s frustrating. I am wondering if it’s because they’re still on 0.17.4 instead of 0.18.

      • NebLem@lemmy.world
        51·
        1 year ago

        Yeah I think that’s the main issue. Hopefully 18.1 can be released soon so they can upgrade too.

        • Pixelologist@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 year ago

          Thanks for the link, unfortunately this is still affecting me. I’m gonna make an account on another instance for the time being

      • RQG@lemmy.world
        01·
        1 year ago

        No I think that is just you telling lemmy.world the message which sometimes can get stuck. Only after the message was sent will other instances sync with lemmy.world if they are federated.

    • Solo@lemmy.world
      11·
      1 year ago

      The server has already been upgraded 3 times. I’m sure they’ll upgrade again if they’re seeing issues. They might not know if it’s an external issue.

  • syl@programming.devEnglish
    216·
    1 year ago

    Good. It is important to have different instances to distribute the load though. However, I hope there are not many people joining BeeHaw…

    • AFK BRB Chocolate@lemmy.worldEnglish
      13·
      1 year ago

      I hope there are not many people joining BeeHaw…

      I don’t hope that, exactly, I just hope that the people who join understand what they’re getting (and, more importantly, what they aren’t). I fully support a community with a different goal than most, and their goal seems like a wholesome one. I personally think it’s doomed to failure, but I support them giving it a try. They’re barely part of the fediverse though.

      • SJ_Zero@lemmy.fbxl.netEnglish
        6·
        1 year ago

        I agree. That’s the point of having different instances. Some of the original Lemmy instances had a very specific worldview and didn’t want to hear much else. I’d prefer they stay there to live in their echo chamber and I leave them alone, than they come out and start demanding the rest of us bow to their authority.

        The broader fediverse sort of works that way. There’s a fediverse that’s really locked down, the sort of in between, and there’s the wild west, and the three coexist in different ways. I can disagree with them, but it’s their sandbox and I have mine and in that way we can coexist on the same platform

        • AFK BRB Chocolate@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          Perfectly put.

          As an aside, I feel like this was the situation in the early formation of the US. Different communities and different states had different views about what should be illegal, but they all wanted the freedom to pursue their individual ways of life. There were basic tenants that everyone generally agreed to, but we created a paradigm where states could do different things, and you could move freely between them to trade and interact.

          I feel like people have lost sight of that. Too many want to legislate their view of how people should live - to force everyone to live that way - instead of all of us during l supporting the right of others to do something different within those broader societal bounds.

      • TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        1 year ago

        There still some good instances that Beehaw is federated with, but my personal issue is that it feels very fragile. If a couple of bigots show up on other instances and the mods don’t delete their posts right away, will Beehaw defederate from them? There is a line between protecting your users and barring them from accessing anything you don’t approve of, and I think they need to figure out where they stand in regards to that line. Beehaw feels more like a small forum than a piece of something bigger.

        Defederating because of raiding, harassment, bots, etc is 100% understandable but it should not be done lightly.

        • AFK BRB Chocolate@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          I agree with you. And, honestly, I don’t think they did it lightly after reading their post about it. It’s just that they’re dedicated to creating a safe space for their members, and they couldn’t figure out how to do that with the mod tools they have and the influx of trolls from the open instances.

    • MicroWave@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      81·
      1 year ago

      Looks like beehaw.org is shedding users. They’ve lost about a thousand users since defederating from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works last week. Maybe a bunch of people weren’t happy with that move.

    • Xilly@lemmy.worldMEnglish
      6·
      1 year ago

      You are correct and Lemmy.World and others will experience growing pains and will have their own share of issues but the positive of this is that more users means more content.

    • Teeks@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      1 year ago

      You are correct, but it at least shows that we are attracting more users (albeit, that doesn’t mean quality).

      I believe its a positive thing though, as it shows that the “normies” are seriously considering alternatives; outside of us niche, nerds here for the tech and the anti-corpo mindset.

      • MicroWave@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
        3·
        1 year ago

        Well said. A month ago, I couldn’t even imagine leaving reddit because there was hardly a viable alternative.

      • go_spurs_go@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        1 year ago

        Just showed up here. We’ll see how long I stay, but hoping this will be my social media fix each morning. If there are enough folks who feel the same, it will be.

        • XYZinferno@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          I’ve been using it for about a week now, and it already is.

          Of course, there’s a handful of subreddits that I miss and feel the urge to go back to every now and then, but I realize that there is enough content on Lemmy to satisfy me during my coffee breaks. And it’s enough to keep me from going back.

          • TrontheTechie@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            Same here. I go to Reddit for a specific thing and forget I’m not on lemmy, see some promoted post or whatever, and wonder who would even dare post that shit here, then remember and switch back.

            It’s been nice to be able to reclaim yet another part of my life from advertisements and incessant tracking.

      • Thesongthatneverends@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        1 year ago

        I am decidedly not a niche nerd here for tech reasons. I just got pretty fed up with Reddit and it’s ridiculousness. I’m a 40 year old mom just here to cruise around the internet and find interesting things. So you are correct - the “normies” are starting to look for alternatives!

  • maegul (he/they)@lemmy.mlEnglish
    91·
    1 year ago

    Good time to appreciate the lack of dominant centrality here compared to mastodon.

    Mastodon’s flagship instance run by the BDFL, mastodon.social, has ~10 times the monthly active users of the next biggest instance.

    Here, there isn’t really a flagship instance, as the devs don’t want their instance to be anything more than the one they happen to run, and it’s not the biggest, and the biggest is independent of the lemmy dev team and isn’t even that much bigger than the others.

    • Ghostalmedia@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      1 year ago

      That might also be a response to what users were asking for. Signing up for a server confused the shit out of everyone. It was to the point where Mastodon’s confusing onboarding process was frequently being covered by major media outlet across the globe.

      Instead of continuing to iterate on sever selection experience, they just started to say “fuck it” and started dumping everyone into .social.

      • DoctorTYVM@lemmy.worldEnglish
        22·
        1 year ago

        Which is the only way they’re ever going to work. It’s a major barrier to sign ups. If the fediverse is actually going to take off one of the Lemmy sites will have to become the dominant one

        • floofloof@lemmy.caEnglish
          6·
          1 year ago

          If the tools for discovering and subscribing to communities could be improved so it becomes dead easy to subscribe to communities on any instance from any instance, that might not need to happen.

          Right now the process of having to search for each community and subscribe is too clunky. And if someone posts a link to another community it often comes up in a format that takes you to the other instance, where you have no account so can’t subscribe. We need a way to share links to other communities that incorporates an easy “subscribe” button that talks to your own instance.

          It would be nice to have some index or search result page that lists communities on all instances, with a subscribe button next to each.

          If these things can be smoothed out, it won’t matter too much which instance you have your account on, so that will be less of an obstacle to new users.

          • soupspoon@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            1 year ago

            Lemmyverse.net does that really well, I think. At the top you can click the house icon and put in your instance, then whatever community you search for or find by scrolling through the list, you can just click on and subscribe

    • Solo@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      It does appear that lemmy.world is heading in the same direction of mastodon.social though.

  • TeaHands@lemmy.worldEnglish
    102·
    1 year ago

    I joined world because it was the little one, with like 100 active users according to the stats on the signup page. Hmph.

    • kiwifoxtrot@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      I joined lemmy.world on June 7th before it started to blow up. Crazy how much it has changed in 19 days.

      • TeaHands@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        1 year ago

        The idea was to pick a smaller one to spread the load around and stop any one instance (at the time it looked like probably Beehaw or .ml) getting so big it became a “default” and thus accidentally centralising things and defeating the whole purpose of being here.

        I guess a lot of people had the same idea at roughly the same time as me though lol, and now we’re stuck with some serious unforseen federation issues due to sheer size. Therewasanattempt.

        • soupspoon@lemmy.worldEnglish
          0·
          1 year ago

          I think I read about future plans for being able to move an account to a different instance? I don’t know if that’s a possibility but I would be willing to move to keep things spread out, or create a new account if it was necessary. I know a lot of people wouldn’t want that hassle but I’m glad to have a forum alternative to reddit and probably enough people feel that way to help make this work well into the future.

          • TeaHands@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            I do think that’ll be something that gets added eventually but it’s understandably not a top priority for the devs right now. I’ve been through the migration process with one of my Mastodon accounts and it was really smooth so fingers crossed we end up with similar one day!

            When I had to move my other account off Beehaw due to them pulling up the drawbridge it was a manual process of resubbing to everything, but tbh it only took about ten minutes once I got a system down so it’s more a psychological barrier than an actual timesink.

  • egeres@lemmy.worldEnglish
    7·
    1 year ago

    It’s awesome to see the growth, but as a small question, why don’t all the instances upgrade to version 0.18? Maybe that version isn’t stable enough?

    • kiwifoxtrot@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      1 year ago

      0.18 removed checks and balances to limit bot signups. lemmy.world won’t upgrade until this is in place.

      • orclev@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        Yep, so now I need to put up with Jerboa whining at me every time I log in. Just the latest in what’s likely to be a long line of teething problems. It’s really unfortunate that the same guy is one of the primary devs of both the Lemmy server and the android client, as it allows him to use one to put pressure on the other. He could E.G. make it so Jerboa refuses to connect to any instance that refuses to update rather than just displaying an annoying dialog like it currently does.

    • Zetaphor@zemmy.ccEnglish
      3·
      1 year ago

      To clarify the vague “checks and balances” statement that you were given, it was the captcha feature. It will be added back in 0.18.1

  • Machefi@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6·
    1 year ago

    This dominance worries me a little. Luckily the communities are spread across instances fairly well

    • AlmightySnoo 🐢🇮🇱🇺🇦@lemmy.worldEnglish
      102·
      1 year ago

      This dominance worries me a little.

      I don’t think there’s much to worry about. Having large general instances is perfectly healthy and good for the Fediverse as that’s where people new to the Fediverse will land.

      I predict that large niche instances will start popping up, one example already being programming.dev, and that’s simply because there are domains where you might need extra customization.

      For example, one can imagine a mathematics & physics oriented instance where LaTeX is available, or a chess-only instance where you’d have things like chessboard.js to allow members to post chess diagrams etc… Basically a return to what we had with old-school forums except this time the instances would be federated.

      • DrGiltspur@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        1 year ago

        For example, one can imagine a mathematics & physics oriented instance where LaTeX is available, or a chess-only instance where you’d have things like chessboard.js to allow members to post chess diagrams etc…

        An interesting idea. But the problem with that is that the custom rendered content would not federate properly, so such communities would only really be usable to those on that instance, which destroys the whole point of being federated in the first place. Unless they were able to implement some sort of ‘graceful degradation’ so the content was enhanced on the main instance, but still serviceable on other instances.

        • AlmightySnoo 🐢🇮🇱🇺🇦@lemmy.worldEnglish
          21·
          1 year ago

          Good point. I think it could still work well if the processing is done on the server, ie the specialized Lemmy instance processes the LaTeX equation and replaces it with a generated PNG.

      • DoucheAsaurus@kbin.social
        4·
        1 year ago

        Just from my own subscriptions there’s also startrek.website and dormi.zone (which is for the game Warframe). I think having an instance function like that is pretty awesome, if I want Star Trek or Warframe related content I know exactly where to go now.

    • MicroWave@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      41·
      1 year ago

      Taking lessons from mastodon, I think server costs can really affect an instance’s decision of how many users and how fast to register them. Can’t blame them. lemmy.world just happens to have a pro admin who also runs mastodon.world.

      • OctoFloofy@kbin.social
        2·
        1 year ago

        oh yeah i remember mastodon.world, was my first ever instance i was on until i began to host my own instance.

      • TheCookieButter@lemmy.worldEnglish
        41·
        1 year ago

        I wrote 2 short paragraphs for the Beehaw entry and a week later was denied. By that point I was already on Lemmy.World.

        I really don’t know what else they wanted me to say to be honest. I’d be interested in seeing some accepted applications but seems excessive.

          • Beliriel@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            1 year ago

            Same for me. The only thing beehaw now has that interests me is the technology community, which seems fairly active. Other than that it died for me there. For what? Because they couldn’t deal with a few trolls? And they want their own walled garden for site applications?

        • silentassasinEnglish
          21·
          1 year ago

          In contrast, I wrote two lines basically saying “like your vibe and the growth of your community” and was approved within a few hours maybe less.

          • SolDaMan@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            This is more or less what i said in my purity test to them and got rejected. They should figure their shit out before beehaw crashes and burns.

      • JujuT@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        Exactly! Or a waitlist like lemmy.ml. There’s probably going to be some issues with so many people in this instance, but it’s better than an echo chamber.

        • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
          2·
          1 year ago

          I’m on my secondary account because of some 0.17.4 vs mobile app compatibility issues, but my accepted application read “I like your moderation philosophy”

          That was it.

          That was all I wrote.

        • SolDaMan@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          Bitter about what? Beehaw is literally running a purity test in order to let you sign up. You sound much more bitter for me telling the truth than i am.

    • brezhnervous@lemm.eeEnglish
      0·
      1 year ago

      However is been just “spinning” on yrying to sign up for over a week for me…so I ended up going with lemm.ee instead

    • Rogue_General@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      1 year ago

      What counts as an active user? Voting? Commenting? Posting?

      Submitting a comment or post. AFAIK upvoting/downvoting doesn’t count, at least for Lemmy’s numbers.

      Kbin is looser with the definition, I think they even count accounts that simply vote among active users.

    • jballsEnglish
      51·
      1 year ago

      Are they? I see tons of Lemmy.world posts (including this one) using my sh.itjust.works account.

    • jennwiththesea@lemmy.worldEnglish
      31·
      1 year ago

      Except, apparently, we are the void. Probably why most people on this instance haven’t noticed a problem.

        • jennwiththesea@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          1 year ago

          No, of course not, but I’m willing to be patient. This place grew very fast, and Lemmy itself was a tiny place before all of this. I remember the old days of reddit, too, and how sketch everything was. I hope it doesn’t take very long for basic issues like this to get fixed by the people who know how to do that (which definitely is not me), and I’m okay with mostly chatting amongst ourselves for a bit. (TBF though, I do get responses back from people on other instances, so my messages appear to be getting through eventually.) I’m excited for this thing to work, and feel impatient myself at times, but there is a whole heck of a lot of work that will need to be done to make this place fully functional. This is just one of many issues, and I am here for the ride!

    • blackconservative@lemmy.worldEnglish
      32·
      1 year ago

      To bad they are still on 17.4 and not 18. Getting rid of web sockets really helped with the jumping around seen when viewing all

      • sacbuntchris@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        I thought content moving around and making me accidentally click stuff was supposed to be a “feature.” I guess that’s good news that it’s a bug.

    • Solo@lemmy.worldEnglish
      31·
      1 year ago

      They’re not updating til 0.18.1 comes. The lemmy devs got rid of captcha in 0.18 and lemmy.world devs asked if they could add it back in 0.18.1 and they agreed so once that happens it will update. Said there would be too many bots without captcha.