Electric vehicles are less likely to catch fire, but when they do, they are more difficult to contain.

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    You’re the one who is trying to call “Literally more deaths than the Ford Pinto” a one off scenario.

    Because the Ford Pinto didn’t lock its (electronic) doors when it caught on fire. At least people could ya know, open the door when that car started to explode. Its a bit different with Teslas and their electronic-only deathtrap.

    But these are known facts over the years. Tesla ain’t changing their doors, Tesla ain’t changing their (explosive) chemistry. Etc. etc. But the stats continue to come in. These are relatively common occurrences (more common than Pinto at least) and more deadly to boot once all the data is tabulated up due to the shoddy door design of Tesla.

    Because as it turns out: when the battery is on fire, electronics tend to stop working.

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        I just want the bullshit to end.

        Stop pretending that there isn’t a fire problem. Li-ion fires continue to grow across the country, be it shitty Vaping devices, crappy scooters or yes, even Tesla cars.

        The sooner we stop lying to ourselves, and others, the better we can move and prioritize safer technologies whenever they do appear.

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          I just want the bullshit to end.

          Okay, then stop your bullshit. You’ve been proven wrong with statistics over and over again, your only argument is “well this one time”, and you refuse to listen to facts or the arguments from the other side.

          You’re wrong, restating your info over and over does not make you any less wrong, and your attitude towards it is wrong.

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            https://www.tesla-fire.com/

            Its not one time. There have been hundreds of fatalities as Tesla crashed, caught on fire, and locked the doors (because the electronics failed).

            There have been even more fires, such as the case I posted earlier where they fortunately escaped alive. But not everyone is so lucky.

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                Sorry, typo fatality with cases. Hundreds of cases.

                In any event: your assertion that this is a “single case” is disproven. With 27 lifetime Ford Pinto deaths, Tesla is more than double the number of confirmed, explosive fire deaths

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              Oh wow, besides the website being clearly biased I found serval additional flaws:

              • it’s a generic Tesla products list, there are several power walls on there. Last I checked, they’re stationary and don’t contain humans
              • it does not list cause of death. “crashing into trees” has a tenancy to kill people before any fire even starts.
              • without following the links, it’s impossible to try and assertain how long it took any particular fire to start. Gasoline vehicles tend to immediately ignite, EVs tend to give you a bit of time before a fire starts.

              Also, “locked the doors is false”. The doors were never locked, but it is in fact an issue that most people don’t bother reading the manual to find where the manual release is on the door. I will also agree that it’s not the most obvious placement, and has no labels.

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                Also, “locked the doors is false”. The doors were never locked, but it is in fact an issue that most people don’t bother reading the manual to find where the manual release is on the door. I will also agree that it’s not the most obvious placement, and has no labels.

                https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/10/23/man-died-burning-tesla-because-its-futuristic-doors-wouldnt-open-lawsuit-alleges/

                The last moments of Awan’s life were gruesome and excruciating. After the crash, the Tesla’s lithium ion battery caught fire, according to a wrongful-death lawsuit. Smoke — and then flames — filled the car, suffocating Awan and burning him from his feet up. Outside, a crowd gathered but couldn’t help.

                That’s because the car’s retractable door handles, which are supposed to “auto-present” when they detect a key fob nearby, malfunctioned and first responders weren’t able to open the doors and save Awan, the suit alleges.

                “The fire engulfed the car and burned Dr. Awan beyond recognition — all because the Model S has inaccessible door handles, no other way to open the doors, and an unreasonably dangerous fire risk,” the complaint reads.


                https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-crash-spring-texas-deaths-mystery-solved-ntsb/

                “Although the driver’s seat was found vacant and the driver was found in the left rear seat, the available evidence suggests that the driver was seated in the driver’s seat at the time of the crash and moved into the rear seat postcrash,” the report said.

                Different case. This one tried the front doors, then tried the back doors. Then died.

                The day after, Harris County Precinct 4 Constable Mark Herman reported that it took firefighters nearly four hours and more than 30,000 gallons of water to extinguish the fire, CBS affiliate KHOU-TV reported.

                In case you didn’t have any idea of how difficult it is to put out a Li-ion fire, now you know.