Exploding-heads.com is another instance on Lemmy where alt-right MAGA types tend to reside. Some people on this server want us to defederate from them immediately, some people want to save defederation as a last resort. They have 104 active users (more stats below).
It seems that exploding-heads has also experienced a recent botswarm invasion. This is obviously another point in favor of defederating them, assuming you are worried about botswarms, which is currently being discussed here.
My advice to you all is please try to discuss this in a civil manner, we need not allow them to create divisive conflict inside our communities. No matter how the vote turns out, you’re not going to be able to defederate from your fellow sh.itheads so be nice.
I’ve linked many of the previous discussions below so people who are out of the loop can get a general sense of the situation.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/216888 https://sh.itjust.works/post/225714 https://sh.itjust.works/post/281126 https://sh.itjust.works/post/410325
Lemmy.world just recently defederated them.
https://lemmy.world/post/747912
https://lemmy.world/post/577526
Although this could be considered a point in favor of defederation, it actually means even if we vote to remain federated, people have a great alternative in lemmy.world where they can still participate in our communities and simultaneously be protected from exploding-heads.
Ensuring diversity of servers is beneficial to the platform as a whole, but it is also not our responsibility to bear that burden.
TLDR, just wrap up any last points in this thread before we open the vote tomorrow. Please be civil.
EDIT: To clarify, this isn’t the official vote, this is the final discussion. The vote thread will be posted tomorrow and you will only be allowed to make a single comment saying Aye or Nay.
EDIT2: Vote thread is up, this thread is now locked. Very lively discussion thread sh.itheads. Please try to be more respectful next time.
Again, you’re misunderstanding the idiom you used.
There are bad apples in the bunch. bad apples spoil the bunch. You can’t “not allow a few bad apples to spoil the bunch”, spoiling the bunch is what they do.
You seem to have gotten completely stuck on the imperfect use of a saying instead of the actual points above it.
While I appreciate the feedback, I’d much prefer you argue against the points instead of trying to improve my third language as for now.
It’s more constructive for this post and everybody else participating.
I think you’re missing that their critique of your use of the saying it also a critique of the points you’ve made. Leaving the “bad apples” of exploding heads in the “bunch” that is us and the instances we federate with, will lead to our bunch being spoiled.
Exactly. Thanks.
I feel like I cleared this avenue when I said that the (exploding heads) instance is the bunch and that he would be throwing the whole bowl out with them, the good members included. I don’t even know if there are any, I’m arguing the principle not the case.
I’m not against disconnecting from anyone, just wanted to air that I personally am sceptical to this approach so fast.
Hell instances were discussing defederating us just a few days ago, and we’re not a bunch of racist homophobes.
It sets a precedent that I find potentially ugly in the long run.
This doesn’t make sense in a number of ways.
First, the problem most people have is specifically with the admins of exploding heads. I don’t imagine they’re attracting a great userbase given the content they promote, but it doesn’t much matter. If the problem was how they moderated their users it might be something we could discuss in a different way, but the problem is that the instance is run by the people causing issues. It will not improve, you can’t isolate that without just removing the instance.
Second, if there are people at exploding heads who can abide by posting rules in other instances, nothing stops them from going to other instances. Defederation is a form of democratic selection. If enough people excommunicate e-h, then the users there who can post productively on other instances will go to other instances and not get banned, and all will be well.
Defederation isn’t a vote to cut every user of an instance off the internet in perpetuity. It’s a vote against the administration and content of a server.
I’m sorry it doesn’t make sense to you, friend.
I don’t really have any other way to word how I am skeptical to defederation in general.
I’m not saying they are a great bunch of lads. All I’m trying to convey is that I prefer ignoring the bullshit and see if it develops into a problem. I think we are being to trigger happy.
If we as a group vote to defederate, I will bow to that.
Anywys, I’ve spent enough time debating this. I’m glad we could have a civil discourse, even though we end up not agreeing completely. That’s a healthy sign.
Have a good night.