• Ashyr
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    1 year ago

    I’m by no means an expert on football, but it seems like a wildly dangerous play to essentially treat your quarterback like the ball. Sure, it can work; but if he gets injured, then what?

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      Well, it’s a little different when your QB is squatting 600+ pounds…

      Modern QBs aren’t like they were 20 years. Now they tend to be just as athletic as everyone else on the field. It used to just be some average looking dude who just knew how to throw the ball.

      It’s honestly weird it took this long for the NFL to realize a QB can be a huge monster like every other position

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        I’m not sure I’d say all modern QBs are like that.

        Hurts, Allen, Richardson, Lamar, sure.

        The rest aren’t built like that.

        Even the ones that are built like that have only been in the league for a couple years. Jury’s still out if this style of play is worth it “long-term.”

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          Not all of em can squat 600, but this one can.

          My point was modern QBs are more athletic than they used to be. And this guy is on a completely different level. Which is why this isn’t what every team is doing.

          With how long QBs play professionally, they’re the slowest position to change.

          For long term tho, the stronger the player the better. Using them like this tho… probably isn’t good on a personal level long term.

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        Power running killed Cam.

        I think he was always incredibly overrated as a passer, but high impact plays add up for all the other positions, too. They’re not going to magically be OK at QB. The fact that part of the position is so technical (actually passing) makes abuse inherently more impactful.

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          Cam got ran into the ground because that’s all he could do…

          I’m saying a 6’4 230lb QB can take sacks better than a 5’10" 180lb QB. Not that size makes them invincible.

          Play like an RB and no one is going to be surprised when your career is as short as most RBs. Play like a QB and that extra size means you take hits better.

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              A short yardage back runs a dive…

              They dont form a scrum where their own players surround them so they never take a direct hit. That’s the rule change mentioned in the article no one else apparently read

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                Yes, they do. People pushing runners in short yardage didn’t start with Hurts.

                Hurts absolutely gets beat up on these plays. It’s not even sort of different in any functional way from a fullback dive.

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                  Well, I was going to quote the article you still haven’t read, but it really isn’t that long and you should just read the whole thing.

                  Then you can email the author, I’m sure they’d love to hear from Random Internet Guy that they’re wrong.

                  Best of luck!

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      Energy = mass x velocity^2

      Slow speed plays don’t get players hurt. High speed plays do.

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        I agree with this in the case of major concussions, but we see a lot of serious injuries come from large guys on the line falling on the legs and ankles of other guys, and generally just getting your legs rolled up on. That being said, this play doesn’t seem to be any more dangerous than any other play where there’s a big scrum.

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          Again though, how often do those injuries happen in a pile vs when the players are in the open field? When the players are upright and moving fast, it is much more likely their feet will get stuck in the turf and make joints vulnerable. Meanwhile, players in a QB sneak are nearly horizontal, and it is much easier for their feet to come out of the ground.

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      Brady did QB sneaks all the time, and it worked quite well for the Pats. Are QBs more likely to be injured on sneaks? It seems pass plays are the worst for QBs, with potential sacks and hurt knees and ankles trying to get away from the rushers.

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    They have the perfect personnel to execute this play. Highly strong quarterback and an elite O-Line. If other teams could do this, they would. What’s stopping them from putting an AJ Dillon under center when they attempt these plays.