Honestly disgusting how the media overlooks this. No idea what these children have ever done. Irrespective of what side you support this is genocide and this should not be tolerated.
Children didn’t vote for the Nazis in the 1930s either but they still died when we bombed German cities. Children die in wars, it’s an unfortunate fact, and Hamas just declared war on their neighbours.
There’s a huge difference between an official declaration of war and warning civilians and sneaking in in early morning and killing them in their beds isn’t there?
This was the top story on NPR’s up first podcast today. They didn’t exactly blame Isreal directly, but they also didnt defend Israel and suggest this is somehow justified. They stuck pretty close to here is what is happening on the ground, here’s voices of those affected, this is a humanitarian tragedy and will only get worse. They mentioned a woman in Gaza rationing milk for her baby due to the food shortage, that stuck with me. So I guess #notallmedia.
The coverage on the NYT The Daily podcast was spot on what I would expect from the outlet that cheared us into invading Iraq. Trash podcast, I don’t know why I’m still subscribed. Should have dumped it after they spent a whole episode making a martyr out of the praying football coach.
NPR’s coverage has been very good so far. They are trying their best to remain impartial in a difficult situation where there is a humanitarian crisis. I think it’s the right thing to do. The media doesn’t need to point fingers at Israel when they can just report the facts and people can see where the blame lies.
I’ll second this. Every time they mention the Israeli casualty toll, they mention the Palestinian right at the same time.
While interviewing someone about Israeli response, they took the time to raise the question about plans for Palestinian civilians (unfortunately the answer was “we must destroy Hamas”, clearly indicating the civilians dying is perfectly fine by him).
It used to be that newsrooms operated at a loss because news was seen as a valuable service for the people. Now they have to turn a profit. That means lower budgets, not pissing off advertisers, and peddling sensationalist bullshit designed to rile people up so they engage more.
Newsrooms were not operated at a loss. Newsrooms and the business side rarely interacted so as to keep up the appearance of journalistic integrity. That is what degraded in the 80s/90s when media companies became focused on profit rather than the service they provide
I don’t think anybody actively supports the killing of children, however, Israel can’t respond to the terrorist attacks without attacking Hamas. Hamas is well known for hiding weapons, militants, and supplies among the civilian population (whether they like it or not), the casualties on the Palestinian side was always expected to be high because of this. It was also expected that no matter how mildly or aggressively Israel responds, there will always be people who try to paint Hamas terrorists as the good guys (including justifying the terrorist attacks) and Israel as the bad guy.
There’s still a very big difference here. Hamas is killing civilians because they were the target. The intention was to commit massacres because their goal is genocide. Israel is killing civilian by accident because Hamas militants purposely endanger civilians to either protect themselves or increase the number of casualties. The intention here is to kill terrorists and the goal is wipe out Hamas. While killing civilians in either case is wrong as a matter of principle, the former is worse based on intentions alone.
I just want to say that any attacks on civilians, whether it be Hamas or the IDF, I don’t justify. While I agree that war inevitably brings about the deaths of civilians, Israel hasn’t exactly made it seem as if striking Gaza is purely to target Hamas. They’ve made their intentions on flattening the whole of Gaza clear and I’m not quite sure how cutting the water supply for 2million people could be a non-intentional act towards the whole population rather than opposed to only Hamas.
Honestly disgusting how the media overlooks this. No idea what these children have ever done. Irrespective of what side you support this is genocide and this should not be tolerated.
“noooo these children voted for Hamas they deserve every bit of suffering they get”
Fucking assholes.
These children can’t have voted for hamas. The last election in Palestine was in 2006.
Well I’m sure they would if we would let them not starve until the next one. Ben and his psychotic entourage, probably.
They will see all of this and serve as warriors in the next generation of hatred. Just like the other side too.
And I wonder how many of those who voted for them in 2006 are still alive…
Crazy how people acc think like this
Children didn’t vote for the Nazis in the 1930s either but they still died when we bombed German cities. Children die in wars, it’s an unfortunate fact, and Hamas just declared war on their neighbours.
Israeli children die: “bomb all of Gaza, kill as many kids as needed until Hamas is over”
Palestinian children die: “it’s just war, mate, what can I say? War sucks :(”
Screw this crap.
There’s a huge difference between an official declaration of war and warning civilians and sneaking in in early morning and killing them in their beds isn’t there?
I’m sorry but from where I am looking, whenever a civilian is killed, it’s a tragedy.
And that includes Israel as much as Hamas.
Unfortunately we don’t live in an ideal world and we have to weigh things up sometimes that aren’t pleasent.
So Israel can win because it’s stronger. In a nutshell.
This was the top story on NPR’s up first podcast today. They didn’t exactly blame Isreal directly, but they also didnt defend Israel and suggest this is somehow justified. They stuck pretty close to here is what is happening on the ground, here’s voices of those affected, this is a humanitarian tragedy and will only get worse. They mentioned a woman in Gaza rationing milk for her baby due to the food shortage, that stuck with me. So I guess #notallmedia.
The coverage on the NYT The Daily podcast was spot on what I would expect from the outlet that cheared us into invading Iraq. Trash podcast, I don’t know why I’m still subscribed. Should have dumped it after they spent a whole episode making a martyr out of the praying football coach.
NPR’s coverage has been very good so far. They are trying their best to remain impartial in a difficult situation where there is a humanitarian crisis. I think it’s the right thing to do. The media doesn’t need to point fingers at Israel when they can just report the facts and people can see where the blame lies.
I’ll second this. Every time they mention the Israeli casualty toll, they mention the Palestinian right at the same time.
While interviewing someone about Israeli response, they took the time to raise the question about plans for Palestinian civilians (unfortunately the answer was “we must destroy Hamas”, clearly indicating the civilians dying is perfectly fine by him).
Washington Post and Voxx have had a really good article as well, as well as a podcast about it on there today I learned show.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/09/israel-hamas-attack-gaza-intelligence/
https://www.vox.com/23910085/netanyahu-israel-right-hamas-gaza-war-history
https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9yc3MuYXJ0MTkuY29tL3RvZGF5LWV4cGxhaW5lZA/episode/Y2M5NDJiM2UtMzM5Zi0xMWVkLTkyNTAtNzM4YWZiNzhkYzM3?ep=14
Also, this is crazy:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-11/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-needed-a-strong-hamas/0000018b-1e9f-d47b-a7fb-bfdfd8f30000
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
Israelis themselves in Israeli media: our own president propped up Hamas until we reached this here attack today
International media: Baaaa it’s Hamas’ fault! Do you condemn Hamas? I said, do you condemn Hamas?
The media does everything they can but tell the truth because it flies counter to the goals of capitalism.
Was Pravda ever telling the truth?
Imma save this comment as an example of the word “capitalism” being used as a weird boogeyman by lemmies, such a joke lmao
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Uh ok dude?
Now tie that into capitalism please
It used to be that newsrooms operated at a loss because news was seen as a valuable service for the people. Now they have to turn a profit. That means lower budgets, not pissing off advertisers, and peddling sensationalist bullshit designed to rile people up so they engage more.
Newsrooms were not operated at a loss. Newsrooms and the business side rarely interacted so as to keep up the appearance of journalistic integrity. That is what degraded in the 80s/90s when media companies became focused on profit rather than the service they provide
What about non profit news orgs that run under capitalism? Plenty of european countries have national news outlets that don’t turn in profit.
This is what I mean, such a good example of the lemmy boogeyman lmao
You asked the OP to tie it into capitalism. I did that. I’m aware that state funded news exists.
I’m gonna assume you thought you had something there, I’ve no idea what though.
So, there exist non-profit news outlets under capitalism, yet capitalism is bad since news outlets are for-profit?
I am sbsolutely dunking it on commies tonight, holy shit it’s easy
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Can you not use ableist language when insulting people, please?
No. Do as I ask. Tie that into capitalism please. If you can, of course.
I’m not your monkey boy. Go fuck yourself.
So it WAS the perfect example. Thank you
Capital loves Israel, especially the military industrial complex.
Sure, maybe it’s not a very direct link, but it’s part of what the people in power want.
What
Yeah no it’s not
I don’t think anybody actively supports the killing of children, however, Israel can’t respond to the terrorist attacks without attacking Hamas. Hamas is well known for hiding weapons, militants, and supplies among the civilian population (whether they like it or not), the casualties on the Palestinian side was always expected to be high because of this. It was also expected that no matter how mildly or aggressively Israel responds, there will always be people who try to paint Hamas terrorists as the good guys (including justifying the terrorist attacks) and Israel as the bad guy.
There’s still a very big difference here. Hamas is killing civilians because they were the target. The intention was to commit massacres because their goal is genocide. Israel is killing civilian by accident because Hamas militants purposely endanger civilians to either protect themselves or increase the number of casualties. The intention here is to kill terrorists and the goal is wipe out Hamas. While killing civilians in either case is wrong as a matter of principle, the former is worse based on intentions alone.
I just want to say that any attacks on civilians, whether it be Hamas or the IDF, I don’t justify. While I agree that war inevitably brings about the deaths of civilians, Israel hasn’t exactly made it seem as if striking Gaza is purely to target Hamas. They’ve made their intentions on flattening the whole of Gaza clear and I’m not quite sure how cutting the water supply for 2million people could be a non-intentional act towards the whole population rather than opposed to only Hamas.