And there’s a lot of alternatives for many different prices. I remember how people used to berate me for being vegetarian while growing up, telling me I’d die and whatnot.
Those 90% “vegetarian versions” are insulting to vegans because they are not balanced meals. Ya’ll still need protein. A plain salad with no high-protein veg is not a meal. The same salad with croutons made with butter is just insulting ignorance.
I recognize your name and we haven’t seen eye-to-eye in the past, but I’m gonna side with the vegans on this one here. Restaurants need to get their heads out of their asses about what a vegan meal is.
Flip-side. If you have a high-protein vegan meal and you just plop a steak on top of it, that’s also not a well-balanced meal. The term often used is “heavy” (if not just “unbalanced”).
No I just meant it as a matter of perspective. Take kale with sausage for example. From a meat eaters perspective the vegan version would be kale without the sausage. But from a vegans perspective it’s kale with added sausage. So instead of saying these are all (meat) dishes and the modification is to leave out the meat, you could also say it’s all vegetarian dishes were you added meat.
No I just meant it as a matter of perspective. Take kale with sausage for example. From a meat eaters perspective the vegan version would be kale without the sausage. But from a vegans perspective it’s kale with added sausage
But kale without sausage has never been a staple food for meals. The early Europeans used kale as a supplement to meat and fish. The Portuguese have mixed it with Chourico or Linguica for ~600 years. From an honest vegan’s perspective, a head of kale is not a meal, and never really has been.
Further, you don’t just drop kale on top of a sausage on a plate or vice versa. If you saw that, then yes it’s just “kale with added sausage”. When we’re talking meals, there’s cooking profiles, spicing, etc. Kale does really well when cooked with meat fats. That’s a specific process.
Saying Portuguse Kale Soup is “Add courico to kale” is like saying an automobile is “add wheels and an engine to a car”.
So instead of saying these are all (meat) dishes and the modification is to leave out the meat, you could also say it’s all vegetarian dishes were you added meat.
Unless it’s literally that (hey look, I have a piece of celery and dropped a chicken on it), then it isn’t that. The reasons are both nutritional, and historical.
I mean, you can still say what you want. I can call myself a vegan while I eat steak. But that’s sorta diluting words to fit an agenda.
90% of “vegetarian versions” of dishes are just the dish without meat. 9% of the remainder are the dish with black beans and/or mushrooms
I mean personally I’d sub it in for something with some protein, though you definitely don’t need nearly the amount you get from a piece of meat.
And there’s a lot of alternatives for many different prices. I remember how people used to berate me for being vegetarian while growing up, telling me I’d die and whatnot.
Still here, after nearly thirty years.
You need it.
Maybe you do.
That’s because most meat dishes are just vegetarian and vegan dishes with meat added to them.
Those 90% “vegetarian versions” are insulting to vegans because they are not balanced meals. Ya’ll still need protein. A plain salad with no high-protein veg is not a meal. The same salad with croutons made with butter is just insulting ignorance.
I recognize your name and we haven’t seen eye-to-eye in the past, but I’m gonna side with the vegans on this one here. Restaurants need to get their heads out of their asses about what a vegan meal is.
Flip-side. If you have a high-protein vegan meal and you just plop a steak on top of it, that’s also not a well-balanced meal. The term often used is “heavy” (if not just “unbalanced”).
It was an attempt of a joke. You know because the person wrote
So I wrote that meat dishes are just vegan and vegetarian dishes with meat…
Sorry. I was told by someone else I’m very literal today. I think I miss out on the joke. Are you referring to things like Lobster Mac and Cheese?
No I just meant it as a matter of perspective. Take kale with sausage for example. From a meat eaters perspective the vegan version would be kale without the sausage. But from a vegans perspective it’s kale with added sausage. So instead of saying these are all (meat) dishes and the modification is to leave out the meat, you could also say it’s all vegetarian dishes were you added meat.
But kale without sausage has never been a staple food for meals. The early Europeans used kale as a supplement to meat and fish. The Portuguese have mixed it with Chourico or Linguica for ~600 years. From an honest vegan’s perspective, a head of kale is not a meal, and never really has been.
Further, you don’t just drop kale on top of a sausage on a plate or vice versa. If you saw that, then yes it’s just “kale with added sausage”. When we’re talking meals, there’s cooking profiles, spicing, etc. Kale does really well when cooked with meat fats. That’s a specific process.
Saying Portuguse Kale Soup is “Add courico to kale” is like saying an automobile is “add wheels and an engine to a car”.
Unless it’s literally that (hey look, I have a piece of celery and dropped a chicken on it), then it isn’t that. The reasons are both nutritional, and historical.
I mean, you can still say what you want. I can call myself a vegan while I eat steak. But that’s sorta diluting words to fit an agenda.