Australia’s voice to parliament Polling catchments where Indigenous Australians form more than 50% of the population voted on average 63% in favour of the voice

  • TWeaK@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    23
    arrow-down
    7
    ·
    1 year ago

    63% is overwhelming? It’s less than a 2/3 majority.

    • Nonameuser678@aussie.zone
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      16
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      That was in booths where the population is at least 50% Indigenous. It’s difficult to capture these demographics directly so they have to do it by % Indigenous population in each booth / area.

      • TWeaK@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        12
        arrow-down
        9
        ·
        1 year ago

        But that just makes the numbers even more meaningless. While it might be very likely that most of the Yes votes came from indigenous people, it’s also possible that 100% of the non-indigenous people in that area voted Yes and a majority of indigenous people voted No.

        Stretcing 63% of the overall vote into an overwhelming majority of indigenous people lacks journalistic integrity.

        • naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          You would expect non indigenous votes to track similar patterns to other nearby polling stations. Consider the pretty smooth gradient we see with yes vs no generally.

          It’s not unreasonable to expect non indigenous voting to track the 60% no. It would be strange if they didn’t, possible but not really a reasonable assumption.

          So in a 50% place with a 60/40 split you might expect somewhere like the (previously indicated) ~80% voting yes. Perhaps a bit lower, but still high support.

          Again, this isn’t the only indicator of indigenous support given the earlier polling.

          • TWeaK@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            5
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            Sure, in casual conversation it’s a reasonable assumption. That doesn’t hold for journalists writing news articles - particularly when it is stated as fact and not clarified. You have to analyse the numbers to realise the headline is hollow.

            • naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              3
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              1 year ago

              No that’s literally how statistical inference works. If you think they’ve made an error submit a letter and get them to retract the article.

              • TWeaK@lemm.ee
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                4
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                No it isn’t, there’s a massive gap in the statistics where the inference should be derived from. If you think I’m wrong then explain it, don’t brush it off without actually saying anything meaningful.

                How can you infer that an overwhelming portion of one group supported something when all you have is the combined level of support and no statistics on the individual groups, other than a ratio of population size?

                It’s an assumption, it’s not labeled as such, that’s bad journalism.

                  • TWeaK@lemm.ee
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    3
                    arrow-down
                    2
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    Yeah, sure, if I call them out for poor journalism standards they’ll just roll over and accept that, because this article totally wasn’t written with that deception in mind.

                    There’s no statistical analysis here, as you implied, it’s just a bunch of regions with their population size and overall votes. Hell, many of their numbers didn’t even fit the narrative - they had a large majority indigenous population but more No votes, more than the nation overall. It’s just bullshit and hand waving to get you to accept it as true without really thinking about it.

                    You’re trying to set an impossible to prove boundary so you can claim that you “win” the argument. That’s bollocks. If you don’t have anything meaningful to say here, yourself, then kindly bugger off.

      • Skua@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        Well yeah, here in the UK referendums are only allowed to pass or fail in the cursed 52:48 ratio