President Joe Biden was asked by a reporter in Israel on Wednesday what made him confident that the Israelis weren’t behind the explosion that killed hundreds at a Gaza hospital on Tuesday.

Biden responded that it was “the data I was shown by my Defense Department.”

Two U.S. officials told ABC News the Pentagon independently concluded the Gaza hospital blast was likely caused by an errant Palestinian Islamic Jihad rocket that fell short of its target.

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    You don’t get it. This is to show how ridiculous 500 people claim is. Was the parking lot full of clown cars? If not, 500 claim is pretty much self evident fake news, let alone a thousand.

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      Yeah if they’d said a dozen people died I’d believe it. That crater looked like a stick of TNT went up, not a 2000 pound bomb.

      If it has exploded directly overhead in the center of 500 people packed like sardines I don’t think it could have killed more than a couple dozen.

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      Ooh gotcha. Unfortunately I’ve read some wild conspiracy theories about this in the last few days so I immediately thought this was more of the same… sorry lol

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        I get that. It’s one thing to blame Israel for bombing civilian targets but those Hamas apologists are mental gymnastics Olympians.

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      Yeah, the hospital wasn’t filled with civilians hurt/running away from bombings after Israel told them to run away because they’re gonna bomb them again.

      No way it would have had +500 humans in there.

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          The parking loot is a part of the hospital.

          Does it seem out of this world to you that there would be +500 humans in the parking lot of a hospital in a crisis like this?

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            Yes, that might be the case under the current circumstances. The above picture helped to imagine what 500 people look like crammed squarely in a space. I doubt the 500 hypothetical people resting in the parking lot were placed more tightly than that.

            Next, look at pictures of the detonation crater, which has the size of a sewer manhole. Imagine that explosion going off in the middle of the audience of 500 people. Would they all die from that? The sheer amount of body mass and flesh would shield the people in rows 20+ from the explosion.

            I bet you couldn’t kill 500 people with whatever exploded there, if you tied them directly onto the bomb, or rocket, or whatever. Is there any precedent of a terrorist attack or military strike or anything which killed that many people with a similarly small explosion?

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              You can’t imagine people running away from being bombed being more tightly packed than people attending a conference?

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                Ok, fair point. But still, the explosion only has finite power. Shock waves literally do have a kill limit. They cannot rip through waves and waves of human flesh and still come out deadly on the other side. At some point, the energy is absorbed, the fragments are absorbed.

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                  At this point, no one is arguing about how many people died, people are arguing about who did it.

                  Now, who has a rocket that can kill hundreds of humans, the Israeli army, one of the most powerful armies in the world, backed by the US, the most powerful army in the world, or Hamas, who make pitiful self-made rockets from metal pipes?

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                    no one is arguing about how many people died

                    Oh, people are arguing about exactly that. We’re even in a subthread which is all about the number 500!

                    You don’t get it. This is to show how ridiculous 500 people claim is.
                    

                    Now, who has a rocket that can kill hundreds of humans

                    As far as I know, all evidence points to a palestinian device, including the small blast radius.

                    And the claim that “hundreds of humans” were killed is most probably fake news.


                    I’m not interested to go into further rabbit holes. This cannot be resolved in debate anyways. Future investigations might reveal what happened, we cannot do that here.

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              You have never seen a parking lot as big as the conference in your image?

              You can’t possibly imaging 500 hundred humans running from being bombed staying together in a parking lot of a hospital that is smaller than the conference in your images? You can’t imagine that at all?

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                Jammed full of people, not unless there’s a concert. In an emergency you try and get people into the hospital as quickly as possible, and people aren’t going to arrive all at once. I could see 50 people killed in a hospital parking lot during an emergency, but 500, absolutely not.

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                  The hospital is already full.

                  My friend, we’re taking about people being displaced and running away from being bombed to hide and get treated in a hospital, and your response is “No way more than 50 humans were in the parking lot”?

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                    They were not keeping hundreds of people in the parking lot, that’s an absurd claim.

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                    After not so careful consideration, I’ve decided to trust your claim. 500 people died because of hamas’s sheer incompetence and then used as a propaganda.What a tragedy.

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                The tragedy of the Hamas v Israel conflict? No.

                The misspelling of “parking lot,” in the comment I replied to? Yes. I am joking about that in particular, because I have to find humor somewhere.