• ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net
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    Have you read anything about the failures of coordination among the anarchist militias in Catalonia? Or their failures of economic coordination beyond the local level?

    Have you even absorbed the critiques enough that you are in a place to argue against them?

    Because this is serious stuff that you should be educated about before you make judgements about it.

    I’m very sympathetic to anarcho syndicalism, but it showed its weaknesses in Spain and sectarian anarchists blame it on the USSR instead of learning from it.

    PS: I like how you sneaked in that call to emotion at the end. Very manipulative. Love it!

    It is not socially well adapted to declare “appeal to emotion” when someone is communicating why something is personally important to them. What I’m doing is expressing myself in a normal human way, and you consider that manipulative?

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      Have you read anything about the failures of coordination among the anarchist militias in Catalonia? Or their failures of economic coordination beyond the local level?

      Ah, nice try, but I already told you I’m not going to debate you on the Spanish Civil War. Why don’t you go to the places where there’s anarchists up for that sort of thing?

      What I’m doing is expressing myself in a normal human way, and you consider that manipulative?

      You implied that not crushing anarchists would have directly led to a successful genocide. Ye it’s pretty manipulative.

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        Ah, nice try, but I already told you I’m not going to debate you on the Spanish Civil War.

        I asked you if you’ve even read anything about it, not if you want to debate me about it.

        You implied that not crushing anarchists would have directly led to a successful genocide. Ye it’s pretty manipulative.

        It isnt manipulative to point out that my family would have been killed if the anarchists won, it is giving you an explanation for why I have little sympathy for complaints by anarchists repeating the “stabbed in the back” myth instead of actually digging into the history of their project and learning from its failures to do better next time.

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          I asked you if you’ve even read anything about it, not if you want to debate me about it.

          That’s how they get you! taps forehead

          It isnt manipulative to point out that my family would have been killed if the anarchists won,

          lol, yea it is. You don’t have any idea what would have happened if the anarchists won. Maybe they Spanish revolution would have worked without the backstab and Hitler would have expended himself. Who the fuck knows. It’s pretty manipulative to posit a major historical event going completely differently would have worked out the same way except that it would have led this one really horrible thing which everyone has an emotional reaction to. Cmon…

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            That’s how they get you! taps forehead

            If the goal is to get you to read yes, that is the secret tankie plot, to make you a better anarchist who is able to grow from previous failures instead of acting like an aggrieved post ww1 german soldier.

            It’s pretty manipulative to posit a major historical event going completely differently would have worked out the same way except that it would have led this one really horrible thing. Cmon…

            Were any anarchists talking about the need for massive industrialization at any cost in the late 1920s early 1930s in the soviet union? No? Then if the anarchists were in charge, yes, the nazis would have won and been able to implement plan ost.

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              Were any anarchists talking about the need for massive industrialization at any cost in the late 1920s early 1930s in the soviet union? No? Then if the anarchists were in charge, yes, the nazis would have won and been able to implement plan ost.

              Tell me when the novel comes out.

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                  This is the same USSR that invaded poland alongside nazi germany in 1939 yeah?

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                    They invaded at the same time. That’s what “alongside” means here.

                    The alternative was for the nazis to roll all the way across poland — the only barrier between nazi germany and the soviet union — and subject the entire country to the holocaust instead of half of it, at a moment when the polish government had already fled and the country was not capable of repelling the nazis.

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            That’s how they get you! taps forehead

            If you masturbate any more furiously in this thread you might faint from dehydration.

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        Ah, nice try, but I already told you I’m not going to debate you on the Spanish Civil War.

        Only about everything else, one-handedly.

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          debate pervert

          I mean you are the one who has left your containment instance to fight over a meme.